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Corby Boy · Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject:

Av, you really are the King of Splitting Hairs.

The OO and Apprentice Boys are pretty much synomymous (my English is bad I know) with each other in that there are members in both organisations and the links are intrinsic - web links etc, etc, marches ....

Parkhead as your opposition, I am sure you could educate Aventinian on these organisations.

SNP as a centre-left constitutional party working within a democratic system versus Nazi party, umm not I think.

I agree Sturgeon, is a complete boiler and she should consider a purchase of immac.

FreedomNow · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject:

What relevence does the Orange Order have in this day and age? None, it claims to march for religious liberty... unless you are Catholic of course.
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Cymro · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:59 pm Post subject:

I agree, I appreciate it's a part of 'culture' for many people. I don't have any problems with people belonging to an 'order' especially if it's something the family have been associated with for generations, or even celebrating that order, organisation or belief. Hwever, when that organisation links itself to Secterianism which is nothing less than Hatred then I have no time for it.

If the OO wants a place in modern society then it needs to evolve simple as.

Aventinian · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject:

RFM · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:53 am Post subject:

Religion is said to be the daughter of Fear and Hope, trying to explain the nature of the unknowable to Ignorance.
-Ambrose Bierce

Corby Boy · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:50 pm Post subject:

Are you a member of a lodge Av? Would you consider it? They hold lots of similar views on the constitution to yourself. Serious question, don't mean to demean you in anyway by asking.

I have always found them interesting in terms of their belief mechanism's etc.. although I oppose essentially everything they stand for.

Aventinian · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:58 am Post subject:

Corby Boy · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject:

Thanks for views on the OO.

I view them more as a curiosity these days as opposed to something that is more sinister.

Their relevance politically is becoming less and less over time, and their views on religion has been viewed by the wider world in its proper context and the flaws exposed.

FreedomNow · Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject:

They claim to be a peaceful christian organistation yet carry banners depicting King Billy in battle. They seem to have misread the part of the bible that says love thy neighbour and have confused it with loath thy neighbour. Also for many years they have opposed equality among the people of Ireland and apart from that who are these guys to say if someones religion is wrong?
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Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 928

Corby Boy (hey, I worked in the steelworks at Corby, back in 1965) asked Aventinian "Are you a member of a lodge Av?"

Aventinian replied "I don't agree with banging the drum or making a great show of one's culture or religion. Plus insofar as I am a Christian, I completely reject Presbyterianism and am a staunch (well, as staunch as someone can be whilst maintaining a very lax following of religious teachings and a havering belief in the literal Christian model of God) Episcopalian"

Clearly, you are not familiar with the history of Orangeism.

William of Orange himself was of course an episcopalian, and he would have preferred all of his subjects in all of his kingdoms to be episcopalians. An heirarchy of bishops owing allegiance to the Crown, rather than to Rome, suited him just fine. He was forced, somewhat reluctantly, to accept that he couldn't foist bishops on reluctant Scots presbyterians. Of course the Orange Order appeared long after William was dead and buried, but its lodges were EXCLUSIVELY for episcopalians. Presbyterians were banned from joining. They were regarded as being a bit suspect, a bit too republican. It was only much later that this ban on presbyterians joining the Orange Lodge was lifted. In Northern Ireland, to this day, it is still the case that when the Orange Order has a church parade, it is to a Church of Ireland (episcopalian) that they parade. Do you remember, some years back, some extremely violent scenes near the church at Drumcree, near Portadown, because Orangemen had been prevented from taking their "traditional" route to a church parade there? That's an episcopalian church. Not presbyterian. To this day, it remains the case that many of the leaders of the Orange Lodge are staunch episcopalians. Just like you, Av.

Aventinian · Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject:

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Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 928

Kevin04 wrote "You never read of these things happening in England or Wales, It's embarrasing to the Scottish nation."

No need to feel so embarrassed, Kevin. Far worse things happen in the USA, and in many countries throughout Europe, and indeed throughout the world. As for England, in the Nineteenth Century there was more widespread support for the Orange lodges in England than in Scotland, and the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of England was His Royal Highness the Duke of Cumberland, younger brother of the monarch. Even to this day there are scores of lodges in England, and yes they do hold processions through the streets, certainly in the Liverpool area they do. The fact that you haven't heard about this doesn't mean it ain't so, it just means you haven't heard about it from the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation and other media outlets which appear to see it as part of their mission to make Scots feel embarrassed about being Scottish. In the Province of Liverpool alone no fewer than seven of the provincial orange lodges have their own websites. However, if you want to see the pope burned in effigy every year, you have to go to Sussex for that. The smallish town of Lewes (where seventeen protestant martyrs were burned alive during the reign of Bloody Mary) still hosts a massive procession through the streets every November 5th which culminates in cheering crowds putting the pope on a gigantic bonfire. Most of England may have forgotten that the Fifth of November was a Popish Plot, but they haven't in Sussex.

Corby Boy · Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject:

Hi Dave my dad worked in the 'works' at the same time as you!

Corby - Has the Purple Star Flute Band and LOL.

I am sure you're Parkhead they have their sinister members.

I nearly got a brick thru my window when they were banging their drums outside my house when I was nursing a monster hangover on a Saturday morning as a wee 16 year old boy! As I told them to F... Off some where else and make a racket. After all you don't want the Sash ringing in yer lugs when you have had 17 vodka and cokes... the night before.

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 928

Corby Boy wrote "Hi Dave my dad worked in the 'works' at the same time as you!" - When I first went down to Corby I was living in Brigstock Camp which was run by Stewarts and Lloyds for single men who had come down from Scotland. I found that a lot of my fellow workers at the steelworks were Scottish! After I had been working there a while a young lad was put to working alongside me for me to show him the ropes. I was talking to him and trying to figure his accent out. I just couldn't place his accent. Eventually I asked him "What part of Scotland are you from?" His answer was that he was born and raised in Corby, in Northamptonshire! But his mum and dad were Scottish, and most of the kids at his school had Scottish parents, so he had a sort of Scottish accent! But he was very pleased that I had asked him which part of Scotland he was from.

Corby Boy · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:27 pm Post subject:

That doesn't surprise me Dave at all.

Many of us consider ourselves Scots. Those who are not of Scots origin tend to be vehemently English because of it.

To this day Corby is known as 'Little Scotland' - although my family herald from Aberdeen and Morayshire, I tend to look on Corby as 'Little Glasgow' as that is where the majority of worker originated.

My father came down in 1961, I don't think he went to Brigstock because he had a family, he was billeted in housing on the Lincoln estate, state of the art architecture back then, but a pit now.

(Has highest Irn Bru sales outside of Scotland, Blackpool during Glasgow fortnight comes close. You can also get Haggis in deep fried batter, and half loaf, sometimes Rowies).

For those of you who have never been to Corby, just visit East Kilbride and you will get the picture!

Mind you if you can, it is best to escape Corby, I did many years ago and now live in Cheshire.

wisnaeme · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject:

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Aye thats about right what you've said in your last message,"Corby boy".
Although I live in Coventry I am no stranger to Corby.I've enjoyed watching a few games of bowls there at the old club and I was a regular at the Highland games.We had strong connections at the burns club ( Tam O Shanter in Coventry ) with Corby. My work used to take me there a lot too. I was there only last week on a non work related visit. I used to enjoy the patter when the firm I that worked for had a cafe in the center.Sadly that closed a couple of years ago though another part of the same very well known firm ( they took over the cafe company ) has another outlet now across the square.

Sausage roll anyone? Laughing

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