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Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1092

Parkhead wrote "you are right that some will latch on to republicanism as a way to cause grief. These people are nothing but an embarrassment to republicans" - funnily enough, the Orange Order says EXACTLY the same thing. Like I said, these two kinds of sectarianism are mirror images of each other.

gordon899 · Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject:

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1092

Gordon899 asks Parkhead "why tell us you did a dissertation in irish politics?"

Because people who are obsessed with Irish politics (whether from an Orange or a Green perspective) are obsessed with Irish politics. Because people who are obsessed with Irish politics can't understand anybody NOT being obsessed with Irish politics. Because people who are obsessed with Irish politics are incapable of discussing Scottish matters without bringing Ireland into the discussion.

My own dissertation, for which I did loads of original research and discovered some very surprising information, was on the way that Scottish newspapers of the late 18th century, and also their readers through "letters to the editor", covered events in another country. It wasn't Ireland.

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

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Holebender · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject:

I've met him... he has one of those faces.
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parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1092

"Parkhead" wrote about

> wanting to kick your c**t in

and

> you just talking s***e

For somebody who boasts about having a degree,
when your prejudices are exposed, you seem to have
great difficulty in conducting a reasoned argument
without resorting to rather abusive language.

Like I said before, this "shows just how difficult
it is to talk sense to sectarians of either kind".

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1092

I have proved beyond all reasonable doubt that George Galloway's stupid behaviour has done more harm than good for the anti-war cause.

I have proved beyond all reasonable doubt that there is no connection between being a supporter of Celtic FC and being a supporter of independence for Scotland, and that there is no connection between being a supporter of Celtic FC and being anti-war.

I have proved beyond all reasonable doubt that there is nothing particularly "republican" about wanting a united ireland. You could be in favour of a united Ireland which has a monarchy, just as you could be in favour of different parts of Ireland being different, independent republics.

I have proved beyond all reasonable doubt that "Parkhead" was talking nonsense when he claimed that the Irish Republican movement "is over 800 years old".

I have proved beyond all reasonable doubt that the "orange" and the "green" sectarianisms are mirror images of each other, even down to disclaiming any responsibility for the behaviour of their supporters.

Everything that actually matters in this discussion has been proved.

Having lost the argument, Parkhead now wants to take things down to the level of abuse and violence with which he feels more comfortable.

I might have fallen for that many years ago when I was young, but one of the advantages of old age is that it does bring a certain amount of (belated) wisdom.

Everything I have said has been proved right. End of story.

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

saying you have proved something and doing so are two different things.
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Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1092

" MAVERICK MP George Galloway was kicked and shoved by a jeering sectarian mob yesterday.

He was threatened and taunted by six men and almost pushed on to a luggage carousel as he arrived at Glasgow Airport.

Respect MP Galloway said: 'It was a terrifying experience and quite disgraceful for these people to behave like this. There was one guy I would describe as a ringleader who said, "I don't like your radio talk, I don't like your newspaper talk, I have a religious duty to knock you down." '

Former Celebrity Big Brother star Galloway was called a ' Fenian b****** ' and believes he was targeted for being a known Celtic supporter. "

Well, presumably, like me, George Galloway just "has one of those faces".

As I am a consistent opponent of all sectarian abuse and violence, naturally I condemn the attack on George Galloway.

And of course, to be consistent, "Parkhead" will have to say that Galloway getting "bitch-slapped" was all his own fault.

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

i just find it interesting that one man can get a kicking from celtic fans who think hes an orange man and then get the same beating in reverse. how does a tale like that come about?

seeing how everyone obviously wants to bitch slap you either you must be a liar or just have one of those faces, why else would everyone be giving you a pounding.

I firmly suggest you stay away from the west bank mate we dont want both the plo and idf doing you some damage.
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"there is no equality in a society that stands upon the political and economic bog, if only the strongest make it good or survive" bobby sands MP

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1092

I have proved beyond all reasonable doubt that George Galloway's recent behaviour has done more harm than good for the anti-war cause.

As it happens, Galloway has now been "bitch-slapped" (to use Parkhead's disgusting phrase) in a sectarian attack (which, of course, unlike Parkhead, I totally condemn). But the fact that he has been the unfortunate victim of a sectarian attack doesn't alter the fact that Galloway's words have done more harm than good for the anti-war cause.

I have proved beyond all reasonable doubt that there is no connection between being a supporter of Celtic FC and being a supporter of independence for Scotland, and that there is no connection between being a supporter of Celtic FC and being anti-war.

I have proved beyond all reasonable doubt that there is nothing particularly "republican" about wanting a united ireland. You could be in favour of a united Ireland which has a monarchy, just as you could be in favour of diffferent parts of Ireland being different, independent republics.

I have proved beyond all reasonable doubt that the "orange" and the "green" sectarianisms are mirror images of each other, even down to disclaiming any responsibility for the behaviour of their supporters.

Everything that actually matters in this discussion I have proved.

The important thing to note is that Parkhead is incapable of providing a coherent argument to support nonsense such as his claim that the Irish Republican movement "is over 800 years old". Having lost the argument, Parkhead wants to take things down to the level of abuse and violence with which he feels more comfortable.

gordon899 · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject:

i have to say sir parkhead, you do have a very warped and one sided view on these issues. i suugest that if you are planning to go into politics that you tone them down and become a little more moderate. if you are not planning to become involved in politics in any official capacity then carry on, you do yourself and decent minded 'republicans' no favours. i do mean no ill toward you, just making my point.

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1092

It has been reported that George Galloway claims he "was kicked and shoved by a jeering sectarian mob", which he found "a terrifying experience". But I wonder if anybody actually witnessed this episode? On both the occasions when something similar happened to me, the only witnesses were the people taking part in the attack. Now, personally, I am quite willing to believe Mr. Galloway's statement that he was attacked. However, there will probably be others who will, because of their own sectarian prejudices, say to Mr Galloway, in Parkhead's words, "either you must be a liar or just have one of those faces".

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

the airport is full of cctv i am pretty sure it will be on there if he's telling the truth.

you on the other hand are a man (maybe) on a message board. believe it or not mate some people on message boards actually lie. dont expect me to take a whole movement as sectarian on the say so of a bloke on a message board because he has some tale about being attacked.
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Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1092

The person who uses the pseudonym "Parkhead" wrote "the airport is full of cctv i am pretty sure it will be on there if he's telling the truth".

They hadn't invented CCTV when I was young. In fact, hardly anybody had a TV when I was young. I remember when the first person in our town got one. The whole town was talking about it. " Alice Craighead has gotten a TV ! "

> you on the other hand are a man (maybe) on a message board.

Oh, I'm real okay. Quite a lot of people on this message board have actually met me. Some of them might not like me, but then, like George Galloway, I've got one of those faces.

> believe it or not mate some people on message boards actually lie.

I know.
It's terrible.
Some folk on these message boards don't even use their real names.
You, for instance.

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1092

In responding to "Parkhead" I wrote "Some folk on these message boards don't even use their real names".

I first got on the internet in 1994, so I have been posting messages to forums of one kind or another for thirteen years, and I have always used my real name. Some folk told me this was risky, but it was a risk I chose to take, on the grounds that honesty and open-ness are always the best policy. And besides, I am far too conceited to ever use any other name but my own. A couple of times, during that thirteen years, some folk, with a less clear sense of their own identity than me, have sent messages _pretending_ to be me. But they were exposed as frauds pretty quickly. I thought it was quite funny. Quite flattering, really.