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azzuri
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 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:24 pm Post subject: Are we closer to Scottish Independence than ever before?.... |
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What are your thoughts?
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azzuri
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I'm only 22, but I feel as though we are edging closer and closer.
I think there is still a long way to go, but in my lifetime I don't remember it being such an accepted idea amongst Scottish people in general
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Andy Bowden
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| A lot of it is dependent on how this Independence Convention does IMO |
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Aventinian
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Being 22, I don't think you're really in the best position to judge.
No offence intended or anything. |
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azzuri
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I never said I was.
however, what I did say was | Quote: | | in my lifetime I don't remember it being such an accepted idea amongst Scottish people in general |
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SLG
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| I feel we are closer to independence than we have been post-79 anyway. There has been a lull (for various reasons) since devolution, but things are starting to change. And it's not just the Independence Convention, it would be dangerous to tie the movement to one organisation, it seems to me that there are things starting to happen all over the place and interest is growing. I also think that devolution was necessary and now, all the mechanisms and a lot of the institutions are in place to make it happen as soon as we want it to. |
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Paulg
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| Aventinian wrote: | Being 22, I don't think you're really in the best position to judge.
No offence intended or anything. |
What alot of rubbish.
I'm 16, hes 22, you might be 60 but who cares?
we are all entitled to an opinion here.
I personally think that there is a slight growth of awareness of nationalism, its slowly getting to the cities n not just rurual scotland, its dfinetly on a small growth but sadly i think we have such a long way to go.
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SLG
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| Paulg wrote: | What alot of rubbish.
I'm 16, hes 22, you might be 60 but who cares?
we are all entitled to an opinion here.
I personally think that there is a slight growth of awareness of nationalism, its slowly getting to the cities n not just rurual scotland, its dfinetly on a small growth but sadly i think we have such a long way to go. |
Right Paul. We can all only go by what we know. I feel the same. It is slight, but I definitely feel a growing sense of nationalism and awareness of national identity. These things tend to feed of themselves, so who knows where it may lead in a relatively short period of time. |
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mystic107
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| All good things take time to perfect but it sounds like this is the right track ,it looks like the young people are really starting to take intrest and thats A very good step in the right direction . With all the political campanes I've worked over the years once the young people get involved the energy level goes up and things really get going. |
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Niall
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A Charaid.
There is a growth in nationalism as can be witnessed by the increase in numbers in Siol-nan-Gaidheal and the formation of Independence 1st. It is like a snowball rolling down the roof. It slowly gathers weight and speed until nothing can stop it. 
May I wish you all the best for this coming Yule in our ancient tongue:
Nollaig Subhach is Bliadhna Mhath Ur dhuibh uile.
A Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to you all.
Slainté Mhath! 
Niall.
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parkhead_rfb
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i disagree mystic most of my friends dont really care about scottish independence other than friends i have through the band and some from university.
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Maol.Chaluim
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| Maybe they don't care, but are they actually against independence? |
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Nithsdale Nat
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Niall,
You talk of 'our ancient tongue'. For many Scots, Gaelic was never the native language. By creating a Gaelic monoculture you exclude many people who may otherwise support the nationalist movement. Nationalism should respect all of the diverse languages of Scotland, not just one. Untill we are seen as a pan-Scotland party we will struggle to win seats south of Perth. In places like Edinburgh and the Borders we barely exist. |
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azzuri
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maybe he's not excluding those who don't speak it, but maybe including those who do and teaching those who don't.
I certainly don't feel excluded when those who speak Gaelic come on here and try and teach me a few phrases - personally I find it fascinating.
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Niall
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| Nithsdale Nat wrote: | Niall,
You talk of 'our ancient tongue'. For many Scots, Gaelic was never the native language. By creating a Gaelic monoculture you exclude many people who may otherwise support the nationalist movement. Nationalism should respect all of the diverse languages of Scotland, not just one. Untill we are seen as a pan-Scotland party we will struggle to win seats south of Perth. In places like Edinburgh and the Borders we barely exist. |
A Charaid.
Gaidhlig is my first language not English. Gaidhlig has been persecuted in our schools, universities and government departments since 1603. The language and more importantly our ancient culture has held on by its fingertips.
Remember it was the Saxon queen Margaret with her Norman cronies that abolished the use of Gaidhlig in the Scottish Court and in government. Gaidhlig was the language of the ordinary Scot and your statement is patently wrong. If Gaidhlig was not spoken in the lowlands, then where did all the Gaidhlig placenames come from? Even in parts of Galloway gaidhlig was still spoken in the 20th century.
Obviously you come from Nithsdale and you have hundreds of gaidhlig placenames especially the hilltops and rivers. Take a good look at you local landranger map and you will see that it is so. I have been told by some Glaswegians that Gaidhlig was never spoken in Glasgow. They changed their minds when I reminded them that Glasgow comes from the Gaidhlig 'Glas Chu' meaning Green place.
Finally, I am not advocating a Gaidhlig monoculture, I just want Gaidhlig to have the same status as English. The three dialects of Scots, Doric, Lallands and Norn spoken in Orkney, Shetland and parts of Caithness do not enjoy the same status as English. I am campaigning actively to have Doric promoted and used more widely just as I campaign to have Gaidhlig promoted in the Gaidhealtachd (Highlands).
'S mise le meas
Niall.
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Katie1984
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In places like Edinburgh and the Borders we barely exist?
This is not true. There are hundreds of members throughout the Lothians and some of the best letter writers to the press in favour of Independence always seem to have Edinburgh addresses.
Also in the Borders Christine Grahame almost won a first past the post seat last time and lost by only 300 votes... |
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Rinty
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| Quote: | | Also in the Borders Christine Grahame almost won a first past the post seat last time and lost by only 300 votes... |
Well actually she lost by over 500 votes and only got around a quarter of the votes. She didnt "nearly win", she came second in a 4 way fight and the gap between the winner and Graham was roughly the same between her and the third and between third and fourth.
Christine Graham is a good example of nithsdale nats point. In all of the anti-war activity in the borders in 2003 she did not show up at any, apart (of course) from the one which the press came to. At that event she was backed by a team of activists carrying "Vote SNP" umbrellas. The team, like Christine, failed to show at anti-war activity in the borders after that or since. |
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GrampianLad
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I feel that Niall has very good points. Though most of us dont realize it, Gaidhlig IS and always will be a very, very prominent part of Scottish culture. Many placenames are in Gaidhlig, and the language has very much so been persecuted by the English. I feel that Niall is in no way being unfair. He writes in English for those of us who dont speak Gaidhlig, and he also writes in Gaidhlig for those of us who do speak it. He is also very good about using translations. I think that Scotland needs more people like Niall to educate other inhabitants of Alba the ancient language. If people actually pay attention to what Niall has to say, they might just pick up some Gaidhlig. Niall: Keep it up.  |
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Nithsdale Nat
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| Katie1984 wrote: | In places like Edinburgh and the Borders we barely exist?
This is not true. There are hundreds of members throughout the Lothians and some of the best letter writers to the press in favour of Independence always seem to have Edinburgh addresses.
Also in the Borders Christine Grahame almost won a first past the post seat last time and lost by only 300 votes... |
We have 2 councillors in the Borders and 1 in Edinburgh (because of a defection). Christine Graham did well and is a good local campaigner and should hopefully win against the awful Jeremy Purvis, but she will do it despite the fact we have little infrastructure in the Borders. And look at how badly we polled across the South of Scotland in 2005 - with Dumfries & Galloway seeing one of our biggest drops in support in the whole country.
Having 100's of members across Edinburgh, Mid-lothian, East Lothian and West Lothian isn't great either - how many does that work out at per-constituency? The Tories in my own constituency have nearly 1000 members and its hard to compete against. We need to have some drive to increase membership because outside of a handful of constituencies we don't have enough.
I'm just being realistic. We have to find a way of reaching out beyond the North East and the Highlands & Islands. Our performance in central and southern Scotland has been disapointing at best in recent years. |
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Aventinian
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| Paulg wrote: | | Aventinian wrote: | Being 22, I don't think you're really in the best position to judge.
No offence intended or anything. |
What alot of rubbish.
I'm 16, hes 22, you might be 60 but who cares?
we are all entitled to an opinion here. |
Oh for pete's sake. My point is obviously that if he had not witnessed the Nationalistic sentiments expressed in the 60s and 70s, his opinion was obviously far less informed than someone who had. You'll notice I'm not expressing an opinion on the subject either.
| Quote: | | I personally think that there is a slight growth of awareness of nationalism, its slowly getting to the cities n not just rurual scotland, its dfinetly on a small growth but sadly i think we have such a long way to go. |
Speaking as a country boy, I always associated Nationalism with the cities and the Tcheucters. Of course, maybe the latter is what you meant by rural Scotland...
| mystic107 wrote: | | All good things take time to perfect but it sounds like this is the right track ,it looks like the young people are really starting to take intrest and thats A very good step in the right direction . With all the political campanes I've worked over the years once the young people get involved the energy level goes up and things really get going. |
I think you'll find that (to the shock of many) the most SNP votes come from the over 60s. Although SNP do seem to win many mock elections in schools, they don't seem to do too well in the universities and amongst the young adult population. As I recall, the Tories and Lib Dems all have larger student wings than the Nats. |
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