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sgmillerton · Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject:

i think the only way to get a positive for the co-efficient tonight is if we turn the table upside down. never mind, good luck next time celtic.

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Rinty · Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject:

Celtics next two games are homes so I would expect them to pick up some points. There is a long way to go yet to see if Celtic will go thorugh or even go into the UEFA cup. For Celtic to match the 2002/03 total they would need a long run in one of the tournaments. That is the trouble with having an excellent season as they did in 200/03, it has to be matched five years down the line.

As it stands right now Celtic's coefficient will drop 16 points if they dont pick up any more points, but I suspect that will improve at least by some.

Rangers coefficient has improved by 8 points so far by my reckoning and they might still get more points and go throught to the next round which would earn them another point. Falling out of the CL into the UEFA might work out better for the coefficient as both the old firm teams, in my opinion would be more likely to win more games in the UEFA.

Scotland overall will still be down so we need all three teams to pick up points yet. I think, we need another six coefficient points to match 2002/03, you get one point for a draw and two for a win and one more for going through to the next round of the CL. If Celtic and Rangers were both to win their remaining home games I think that we would surpass the total for 2002/03 and improve our coefficient.

sgmillerton · Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject:

okay, there must be a quicker way of saying that though i admire your diligence.
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sgmillerton · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject:

i dug this up with regard to the coefficent points in terms of rangers and celtic.
R C
92/93 18 2
93/94 2 5
94/95 0 0
95/96 7 4
96/97 7 3
97/98 5 8
98/99 10.5 7.5
99/00 11 6
00/01 12.5 5
01/02 11.5 6
02/03 2 22
03/04 5.5 17
04/05 6.5 7
05/06 14 1
06/07 13 11
07/08 (at 9/11) 11.5 8

Totals 136 116.5
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Rinty · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject:

Nice, but you forgot that you are supposed to be someone who doesnty like rangers or celic in this forum under your current pseudonym, oops.

And I think your figures are wrong in two ways. Firstly the coefficient is only the total points over the last five seasons and there is no point in counting it mid season as it is isnt over yet. Secondly, you conveniently start your accounting period randomly at rangers best season in the champions cup/league.

The current coefficient from your totals is Rangers 41 and Celtic 66. Although I believe the actual total from my sources is that Celtic have slightly less than that and Rangers more (I think it is Rangers 47 Celtic 63) As we have said before, Celtic's will probably drop this year as season 2002/03 drops out and they had a very high total that season (in fact the highest ever for a scottish team).

This week has been good again overall. Rangers lost but the result in Lyon means that they will not go out of europe and, at the very least, will go into the UEFA cup giving a chance for a bigger coefficient. Celtic won at home again and now look likely to go into UEFA cup and still have a chance of going into the next round of CL if they can gub Shaktar at home (and two more coefficient points). Aberdeen picked up another coefficient point and they are already out-performing the scottish teams apart from celtic in 2002-03.

So, at the moment, it looks like scottish teams could now match the 2002-03 total meaning it will be more likely to contionue to get 2 teams in CL or even automatic qualification.

So far this season celtic have picked up 7 points and have a coefficient of 8.8975, rangers have picked up 8 points and have a coefficeint of 9.8975. Where are you getting your figures?

For the record the accurate coefficients for both teams (over five years):
2002/03 - Celtic 23.4335, Rangers 4.4335
2003/04 - Celtic 15.4335, Rangers 6.4335
2004/05 - Celtic 8.5675, Rangers 7.5675
2005/06 - Celtic 1.4025, Rangers 13.4025
2006/07 - Celtic 13.2275, Rangers 15.2275

Apoliogies to supporters of other teams but tb miller seems to be intent on pushing these figures re rangers, starngely forgetting that he should be more interested in Hibs coefficient and the scottish total than whether rangers are beating celtic.

sgmillerton · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject:

they were pulled from uefa, i knew there was a thread about the scottish team s in europe co-efficent so i thought i'd add them. no big deal interesting that over the last 15 years rangers have helped scottish football the most in terms of the co-eefient.no worries. hibs co-efficent? i don't even want to go there.
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Rinty · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject:

My figures are from the uefa coefficient database.

"over the last 15 years rangers have helped scottish football the most in terms of the co-effient"

Makes you proud does it? I'm intrigued as to why a hibs fan would want to pursue this so relentlessly, the thread has developed by most into the general subject of coefficients, you cannot move past the rangers are better than celtic issue, to the extent of ignoring the current coefficient where celtic are in front of rangers.

Even going by your figures it has been five seasons since Rangers last had a higher coefficient than rangers. A coefficient is your total coefficient points for the previous five seasons.

I am a celtic fan so therefore have an interest? Where does your motivation come from?

"hibs co-efficent? i don't even want to go there."

I am sure that you dont, you never mention hibs. A hibs fan would be interested in Hibs and Scotlands coefficient.

sgmillerton · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject:

do you know what happened to jfk?
what about area 51?
diana's death?
september 11th?

it was a co-efficient thread and i came across these stats about the co-effient that were about the 2 main point scorers for scotland and you've turned into,well,i'm not sure. i just wish hibs had done as well as rangers in europe over the last 15 years.
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SLG · Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject:

Most Hibs fans I know would still rather see Rangers lose every game in Europe regardless of what they contribute to the coefficent. I'm one of them.

By the way, SG, Hibs are currently ranked 164th in Europe on UEFA coefficients.

sgmillerton · Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject:

SLG · Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject:

You must have been very pleased to see him get a move to such a wonderful team as Rangers.

sgmillerton · Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject:

it is always a pain when someone at your club goes bit i always wish them well, they have worked hard for their oppotunities. big eck, kevin thomson, scott brown, tony mowbray even john collind back in the day.
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SLG · Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject:

I would agree with you if they moved to a different league and not to one of your main competitors. You also mention Thompson - I don't know how you could possibly wish him well after some of the things he said about your club (that's Hibs remember).

sgmillerton · Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject:

i always wish players well when they have worked hard for opportunities.thats all.nothing else to it.
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