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Rinty · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:21 am Post subject:

"he is not being singled out, on wednesday on radio scotland an advocate/lawyer said that due to aaamwurs conduct the law society were in 'unchartered waters'. ie. the first time this happened. he is not being singled out."

You really are a fool. The Law Society are in uncharted waters because of the charges against Aamer, not becuase of his statement. This PROVES he is being singled out, if not, then the law society would have precedents to work with.

"why do get the feeling that the would be terrorist and aamwir are going to be the 'cause' of the loony left."

where the hell have you been? if you are getting the "feeling" that Tommy would support Aamer and vice versa it might be because it is not a new scenario.

sgmillerton · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject:

the charges were brought about because of his staement. and i have absolutely no doubt that tommy sheridan (someone i like very much as he is the only person from the extreme left who seems to have any integrity) will be backing his friend.
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Rinty · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject:

"the charges were brought about because of his staement. and i have absolutely no doubt that tommy sheridan (someone i like very much as he is the only person from the extreme left who seems to have any integrity) will be backing his friend."

Are you mental? the charges follwing his statement are what the law society are referring to as uncherted waters, as statements are often made after cases but the unique situation this time is the cahrge. If he had made the statement and hadnt been charged it would be uncharted waters would it?

Of course Tommy is backing Aamer and has made that clear. Aamer will open the solidarity conference tomorrow introduced by tommy.

For those that are interested Aamer Anwar will be speaking at a meeting in Glasgow on Tuesday alongside Asif Siddique (mohammed atif siddique's brother) and author Alisdair Gray.

Rinty · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject:

"he was an active SWP member when at University.....
That's how I remember him too - which is what made the other story intriguing."

Its obviously nonsense. I doubt very much whether the tories would have let him join when he was so active against them at the time, and even more I doubt that they would put a SWP member in charge of their money. The story is either made up or it is someone else with the same or similar name.

agentmancuso · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject:

I think its probably a smear. The main reason that I think so is that I have heard the same story several times about different people.

agentmancuso · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject:

No doubt you're right. I shall not repeat it.

I hope you didn't hear the same story about me? Shocked

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sgmillerton · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject:

today we see in court a white ex TA soldier found with bombmaking equipment. Let's see how his sentence matches up. Siddique got 8 years far having visited websites that mention bombs, i would imagine that taking the step to actually gather the explosives and other equipment would be a far more serious offence.

sgmillerton · Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject:

i would hope he gets more than 8 years and i would be interested if he has some 'cause'.
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Rinty · Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:02 am Post subject:

He wont be given more than 8 years and he wont be charged with terrorist offences. Whatever his cause he accrued explosives and bomb making equipment, if it was a one-man campaign it still was a very dangerous situation that could have led to deaths, far more dangerous than visiting websites.

Read this link where a guy with a clear "cause" is sentenced for actually having explosives and conspiring to use them. 2 and a half years is the sentence.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,,2138648,00.html

sgmillerton · Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:51 am Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:31 am Post subject:

Do you think it would have been 2 1/2 years if he had been muslim?

sgmillerton · Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject:

yes, i have more faith in the justice system than bandwagon jumpers who cry foul everytime a muslim is sentenced for a crime they have commited. i remeber during the kris donald trial there were even people going on about islamophobia. if anything muslims get an easier time with the justice system just because so many 'activiists' and 'human rights' groups cump up and down when muslims are on trial or are charged. many judgesare terrifeid of being seen as rasict or islaphobic.
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Rinty · Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject:

I cannot agree on two points. No-one accused the courts of islamophobia in the Kriss Donald trial, perhaps in the reaction by some people elsewhere but the Muslim community were keen to see the killers behind bars.

As for judges being scared to prosecute a\sians that just doesnt stand up to scrutiny. can you show me figures that back this up.

I will ask again. Do you think that the white BNP guy who accrued explosives and bomb making equipment would have got the same sentence if he had been a Muslim. Also, given the he got 2 1/2 years for actually going forward with plans for bombs, what sentence would he have got if he had only visited websites?

"bandwagon jumpers who cry foul everytime a muslim is sentenced for a crime they have commited"

I see no evidence for that at all, only people crying foul on some high rpfile cases linked to the recent terror legislation.

sgmillerton · Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:29 pm Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject:

"i'am certain that there are juges who pass judgements in fear of what the backlash may be, mr. amwar's outburst being a recent point in case."

Yes, the judge was so scared that he handed out an 8 year sentence to someone who hadnt committed a terrorist attack, planned one, or accrued the equipment to do so.

Let me put my question another way, If Mahammed Siddique had actually accrued explosives and bomb making equipment, do you think his sentence would have been five and a half years lighter?

"did you ask nr. amwar about his alleged misdemeanors. out of curiosity."

It is really childish the way that you insist in spelling his name wrong. I forgot actually as we had other issues more pressing at the time.

sgmillerton · Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject:

It wasn't a solidarity issue I was discussing with aamer.

The conference did have discussions about our elected councillor and the several solidarity members who are elected union leaders and officers. Incidentally it takes a lot more votes to be a union leader than to be a councillor or even an MSP.

And no doubt some discussed how to get more votes. You see something wrong with that?

sgmillerton · Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: