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this repugnant slug may have just went to far this time with his ill-thought out comments. how dare he call into question our justice system and a jury's verdict. a bigger bum than 10 arses.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7080649.stm

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SLG · Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject:

Is our justice system infallible?

Reluctant Hero · Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject:

I think he may be made an example of, because of the defendents he usually represents.
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SLG · Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject:

I think there was an article in the Sunday Herald that said that a couple of 'big hitters' of the English judicial system were backing him... wonder if that has had any impact.

sgmillerton · Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:29 am Post subject:

agentmancuso · Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject:

Many years ago, Anwar was allegedly thrown out of the Conservative Party group at Glasgow University after some little dispute over missing funds.
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Rinty · Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject:

THis is an absolute disgrace. He has obviously been singled out for his political beliefs as this is a commonplace event.

Thankfully the legal profession have jumped to support him. This has serious consequences if the judiciary are able to use tools designed to protect us, to close down criticism instead.

I have see similar comments from lawyers after many cases. As for questioning a jury verdict, the appeals process makes sure that this happens in almost every case.

I think perhaps the judge is over-reacting out of embarrassment of the result of the Sidique case.

I fully support Aamer Anwear on this and am glad that most people in his profession do too.

sgmillerton · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:48 am Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:11 am Post subject:

"'his political beliefs' no it's because he blurted out unfounded nonsense calling into question the scottish legal system and 12 good people on a jury."

No, if it was because of that then several lawyers would be charged every year of not one a wee! When Tommy Sheridan won his case last year the NOTW lawyer called the jury's decision "perverse". The Siddique family felt that their son did not have a fair trial and questioned the decision, they have every right to do this. helena kennedy is the most well-known for it and when was he charged with contempt?

"what his political beliefs have to do with this i have no idea. are you saying he may be in contempt of court because of his political beliefs, when he was a tory or leftie?"

I am saying (quite clearly) that what separates Aamer from the hundreds of lawyers who make thousands of csimilar statements is his political beliefs and campaigning. What do you think would be different for aamer.

"embaressment???????? this hooilgan/ned was found guilty of being a would be terrorist. why be embaressed about that?"

If only he was found guily of being a would be terrorist then he wouldnt be sentenced to eight years. The sentaence was ridiculous and was politically motivated, the judghe should be embarrassed for allowing his court to be used politically. His reaction to the Siddique family statement is over the top and, I believe, highlights this embarrassment.

"i also read somwhere that amwar vandalised a small plaque to mark the spot where rudolf hess's plane landed in eaglesham."

Did you? I will be with Aamer on saturday morning so I will ask him about your allegations and those of mancusco.

"amwar-hooligan,tory,leftie ??swindler?? and professional contempt of court idiot."

Interesting that you dont see his allies and partners Joe beltrami and Donald Finlay in the same way.

I hope he doesn't want to do anything about your allegations of him being a swindler and hooligan, I am sure he will laugh at your idiot and slug statements.

sgmillerton · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:21 am Post subject:

so, amwar is being picked on because he is a leftie? thats it.
you are going running to amwa because people have alleged he is a swindler of tory party cash at glasgow uni?

http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/foru...hp?f=3&t=1075&hilit=anwar

i knew i read it somewhere, a few years ago now mind you. on this thread they are saying he vandalised it. it seems he did it because right wing fundamentalists erected it which is wrong but then again so is vandalism. he's gonna be busy if you grass everyone up who badmouths him on that thread by the way.

i personally find him an utterly repugnant human being.

but i'm enjoying the fact that there is a whole left wing fundamentalist conspiracy theory going on here.
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Holebender · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:18 pm Post subject:

The lack of knowledge of even the most basic elements of aspects of Scotland never ceases to amaze me.

If the jury had 12 members it must have been an English court. In a Scottish criminal case a jury has 15 members. Just another example of the insidious Anglification we are all exposed to.
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sgmillerton · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:30 pm Post subject:

agentmancuso · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:36 pm Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject:

"so, amwar is being picked on because he is a leftie? thats it."

No, because of his political views. I dont think his opposition to wars and the eradication of civil rights is particularly "lefty". Why do you think that he is being singled out if not because of his politics? He is being definitely being singled out, of that there is no doubt, many lawyers make much more damning criticisms of courts as do politicians, journalists and others.

"you are going running to amwa because people have alleged he is a swindler of tory party cash at glasgow uni?"

No I am meeting him anyway on saturday but I will mentiopn it yes. The incident re the Hess memorial is old news and was carried out by the anti-nazi league who Aamer was a member of. It was a memorial erecetde by and for the far right and some anti-fascists students wrecked it. I was more interested in the fact that you said you read it. Turns out you read someone else saying it on a forum.

"he's gonna be busy if you grass everyone up who badmouths him on that thread by the way."

Busy? Why? It will take me about 10 seconds to tell him and him about the same to listen, I am sure he will fit it in???? If criminal allegations are being made against him on the internet at a time when he is in the public eye I am sure that he would prefer to know.

"i personally find him an utterly repugnant human being."

Yes but thats just your blind petty hatred and has no place here in a debate. Just as calling one of Scotlands top lawyers an idiot means nothing coming from a fool.

Why do you inssit on spelling his name wrong?

sgmillerton · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:32 pm Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject:

"'blind petty hatred' i'll keep an eye out for you calling into question anyone who strongly dislikes anyone on here in the future."

Oh please do, it is you who is calling somone repugnant and a slug and an idiot because you disgree with their views.

If he is on the news a lot it is because he presents so may high profile clients. That is a mark of his high regard in the profession. Aamer and his mate Donald Findlay are the type of lawyers essential to democracy in my opinion.

Nothing aamer has done re this case differs from other lawyers after other cases. I donty thinm it is contempt of court to speak out after a verdict as that is a charge that refers to the ciourt proceedings, not after they are over.

sgmillerton · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject:

"the bottom line is that the judge is very unhappy with his conduct, so am i and many others."

You are unhappy? The bottom line is not whether a judge is unhappy with comments or not, the bottom line is whether the family can express their views on the case and the current anti-terror legislation without fear of criminal charges.

"it is nonsense to suggest he is being singled out for his political beliefs (i'm sure aameer, being very media savvy would have suggested this)."

It isnt nonsense. Why else is he being singled out? he may or may not have suggested this, I havent spoken to him to find out, but I will see him on Saturday at the Solidarity conference.

"and i do not like the man at all due to his political bekiefs and there are alleged things from his past that seem to question his charcter."

So you dislike people if you dont agree with their political beliefs? I wonder what beliefs exactly that you dislike him for? As for the allegations about his past, are you saying that you have heard the tory allegation before as you seemed to dislike him before mancusco told you that. Personally I find it hard to believe as he was an active SWP member when at University. On the other allegation you seemed to agree earlier that it wasnt unreasonable to destroy a far right monument to their nazi hero, and it was 16 years ago when he was not much more than a kid anway.

agentmancuso · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject:

sgmillerton · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:06 am Post subject: