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McDougall
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 Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: Feminism Changing Religions |
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Dateline: St. Louis, USA
By: David Usher
From: Men’s New Daily
Via: The Honor Network
Feminism Changing Religions
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| Quote: | Susan Talve is a good case study in feminist pseudo-religious practices. She is a member of the National Organization for Women, and the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice. These are facts conveniently unadvertised at CRC.
Talve is not alone in leading her flock down a slippery secular slope. The majority of others who set out to take over religious institutions in the name of feminism behave similarly. The cockpit view of their mission is essentially to turn God into the liberator of women (from men), to replace religious teaching with feminist gospel, and to turn churches into executors of the feminist agenda. |
For full story click: http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/11/...n-talve-i%e2%80%99m-a-priest-now/
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RadgeJougal
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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This has been going on for forty years. Where have you been?
Anyway, there is considerable evidence that prehistoric religions were based around a central female deity, usually based on Mother Earth. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Religion is all bunk anyway, so who cares?
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| Most of it is, but how can you be certain all of it is? |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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OK, all religions consider all other religions to be bunk. Each religion considers itself to be the one true religion. It follows that the majority of the world's population would consider any given religion to be bunk.
So which is the more rational and consistent position, that all religion is bunk or that all religion except for the one I happen to believe in is bunk? On the balance of probabilities I'd say all religion is bunk is the rational position.
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RadgeJougal
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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"all religions consider all other religions to be bunk."
Not necessarily, Japan, China and Korea, people are often members of several different religions.
"I'd say all religion is bunk is the rational position."
It's not rational since it ignores that the fact that even religion has some rationalism within it. It is in fact an emotional backlash against religion, rather than a rational analysis of the whole. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| RadgeJougal wrote: | | Not necessarily, Japan, China and Korea, people are often members of several different religions. |
True. Exclusivity in religion (and nationality) is a product of monotheism.
| Quote: | "I'd say all religion is bunk is the rational position."
It's not rational since it ignores that the fact that even religion has some rationalism within it. It is in fact an emotional backlash against religion, rather than a rational analysis of the whole. |
Yes.
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religion has some rationalism within it... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...
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RadgeJougal
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | | religion has some rationalism within it... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... |
Point proven. Not a rational response at all. This is an emotional, not a rational response by yourself. |
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Only because the original assertion is so ludicrous. If you really want to debate it I'll be happy to take you on, but don't start with stuff like religion has some rationalism within it without providing some basis for the statement.
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| RadgeJougal wrote: | | Point proven. Not a rational response at all. This is an emotional, not a rational response by yourself. |
Agreed. Damn silly to boot.
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So there you have it, Radge. Aventinian agrees with you; where does that leave your case?
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RadgeJougal
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | | Only because the original assertion is so ludicrous. If you really want to debate it I'll be happy to take you on, but don't start with stuff like religion has some rationalism within it without providing some basis for the statement. |
The trouble is that happiness, and humour, are not rational, because they are actually emotions, not logic. If you wish to be a logician, you can at least work that one out for yourself.
Tell me, do you think it's logical not to look after poor people, or not fight to ban slavery? |
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| Holebender wrote: | | So there you have it, Radge. Aventinian agrees with you; where does that leave your case? |
In this case I agree with Radge too.
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RadgeJougal
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| And, I'm not religious at all myself. In fact, I'm pretty anti-religion, but I'm not blinkered enough to see that there is some reason within religion(s) - not all of them, but the major ones anyway. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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I am not religious in any way either. I'm not anti-religious as such, though I am firmly anti-clerical.
Religion is a crucially important defining element of human culture.
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RadgeJougal
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| I agree with everything you said there... I think there is a slight hypocrisy over the phrase "organised religion" these days, as many people leave a traditional one, usually a church, for a new fangled religion, which is certainly organised. If you flit from Roman Catholicism/Presbyterianism to Wicca/New Age, you're still going into something which has organisation, sublimated rules and unspoken agreement. The amount of times I've met New Agers or even "Free Thinkers" who spout more or less the same line, but claim that they've come up with it themselves. They're unwilling to acknowledge their debt, unconscious or otherwise, to other people's thought. Organised religion is right in one respect... many people will come to similar conclusions - but not entirely under their own steam. |
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Holebender
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| RadgeJougal wrote: | | Tell me, do you think it's logical not to look after poor people, or not fight to ban slavery? |
I'm sure a logical case could be made (e.g. not looking after poor people forces them to fend for themselves and thus ultimately benefits them more that coddling them does) but that isn't the point. Looking after the poor, or banning slavery, or doing unto others as you would have them do unto you are aspects of humanity, not of religion. Religions always seem adept at taking the good points of others and claiming them for their own. (I suppose that is a rational thing to do if you wish to raise your own status so, in turn, I suppose I will have to concede that there is some rational element of religion. Good grief!)
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"It's just you and God, there's no middleman"
Ian Brown
He claims to have tried lots of various religions but ended up hating any attempts to organise religion. He said he doesn't need someone else to come between him and the 'thing that is out there'.
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RadgeJougal
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| Holebender wrote: | | RadgeJougal wrote: | | Tell me, do you think it's logical not to look after poor people, or not fight to ban slavery? |
I'm sure a logical case could be made (e.g. not looking after poor people forces them to fend for themselves and thus ultimately benefits them more that coddling them does) but that isn't the point. Looking after the poor, or banning slavery, or doing unto others as you would have them do unto you are aspects of humanity, not of religion. Religions always seem adept at taking the good points of others and claiming them for their own. (I suppose that is a rational thing to do if you wish to raise your own status so, in turn, I suppose I will have to concede that there is some rational element of religion. Good grief!) |
I'm afraid to break this to you, but while they are aspects of humanity, they are also features of some forms of religious expression as well.
"Religions always seem adept at taking the good points of others and claiming them for their own."
So, did Wilberforce just "take the good points of others"? And a religion does, isn't it better for it? |
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