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William_Cleland · Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject:

Not sure it is only about doing whatever is to Serbia's disadvantage, Dave. Kosovo was part of the rotating presidency post-Tito. Hence why western countries claim there is no precedent for the likes of Abkhazia and Nagorno-Karabakh. The Tito era boundaries of Kosovo are still being respected despite the fact that a large chunk of northern Kosovo is predominantly Serb and wants no part of independence. If Belgium fell apart the Flemish nationalists in those southern suburbs you mention would have nothing to worry about as they are legally part of Flanders. We are straying a wee bit off topic so that's it from me on this particular tangent.

agentmancuso · Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject:

agentmancuso · Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject:

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1082

I said about those in local government of some of the suburbs of Brussels "Flemish Nationalists in charge of the local councils there are doing everything they can to prevent folk from selling or renting their houses to French speakers"

Agentmancuso says "Surely you don't mean these nationalists are behaving in an openly discriminatory and xenophobic way?"

That is exactly what I do mean.

"I thought that was supposed to be a scare story dreamed up by 'the Unionist Press'?"

Here in Scotland, you do often get scare stories dreamed up by 'the Unionist Press' which have very little basis in reality. However, even in Scotland, where "civic nationalism" tends to predominate, a small minority of nationalists are of the "openly discriminatory and xenophobic" variety, and amongst Flemish Nationalists this unpleasant form of nationalism tends to be dominant.

It would, of course, be xenophobic to suggest that the Flemings are just naturally more unpleasant. The reasons why Flemish nationalism tends to be more "openly discriminatory and xenophobic" than Scottish nationalism are to be found in differences in the geography and history of these two very different places. We're just luckier than them, in some ways.

agentmancuso · Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject:

Of course, it had inexplicably slipped my mind - it's all those other guys that are the Bad Nationalists, whereas we, being cut from an altogether better cloth, are blessed with the Good Nationalists.
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George · This is Ma' Life! Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 622

Bandying words with the bigots and intolerant Unionist fanatics who attempt to slur many decent Scots is a waste of valuable time.

Here are a few phrases from the pantomime villain stand in:

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agentmancuso · Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject:

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agentmancuso · Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject:

Holebender · Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:41 am Post subject:

Utter fantasy indeed, and agentmancuso is the fantasist.

These are his phrases, he is the one who posts them. It's a not very good straw man argument; he makes up his own fantasy nationalists and then argues against them rather than the real people in the real world.

What colour is the sky on your planet, agentmancuso?
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agentmancuso · Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:39 am Post subject:

Argue the actual points, if you're up to it.
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Holebender · Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject:

What points? Make some which bear a passing resemblance to reality and I might argue them. Otherwise I won't waste my time, or anybody else's.
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agentmancuso · Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject:

These points:

Holebender · Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject:

You seriously want an answer?

Scottish nationalism is not predicated on points 2 and 3. Game over, what a bore.

Now... why don't you go and play with the other children and leave the grown ups alone.
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agentmancuso · Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:35 am Post subject:

Lewis · No Longer a Wean Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 81

You seem to have the thought that you are right and everyone else is wrong. What you sir have is an opinion, what we have also is an opinion, you must understand that no matter how much you flash your three points at us we sill not change our opinion.
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agentmancuso · Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 10:43 am Post subject:

I didn't ask you, or anyone else, to change their opinion. I asked them to justify it. Do you disagree that all nationalisms are based on the identical assumptions outlined above?
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William_Cleland · Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:25 pm Post subject:

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