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Lothian Sky · I Love 'Our Scotland' Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 347

Aventinian.
You claim to be against nationalism. How do you explain that silly flag then, or is British nationalism somehow alright? Explain.

You also said "I remind you that Unionism is not actually a movement and simply an objection to Nationalism". This is nonsense.
Many unionists are STAUNCH British nationalists, albeit with a pitiful Scots cringe mentality.

Good day.

Nina · Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:30 pm Post subject:

Whether the 10 reasons are true or not, and especially the "we are running out of oil" reason, I can tell you that the Scots I know (of my own family and the people they socialise with..) believe that one. I did too, until I started to take a true interest... Embarassed

Now I know.
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True Scotsman · Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject:

Inge Wrote

I think all nations should be free!
For example; I am from the Netherlands, a nice country, believe me!
But it was once was ruled by many different nations. Such as Spain, Germany etc. A country needs to stand on its own two feet! The people that live in that country have their own identity and we shouldn't deny that! Not ever! My great-grandparents where from Flamish Belgium. They fled their native homeland during the first world war. It wasn't a great place to be at mind you! people used to tell them welcome back home! I don't believe that and so did they. Flamish Belgium used to belong to the Netherlands (according to a bunch of papers), but in their hearts they were a different people entireley! And if I may say so we are!!! We fought for are freedom in 1830 and even though I am a half Belgiun I am proud of it! Because we fought for our freedom and so should YOU!!!!

Your right Inge, it's about us Scots stood up for our selves. The Scots were once a determined, forword thinking people who were proud of there culture. So come on Scots be proud of who we are. We were forced into this union with England & we got no vote on the issue & most Scots were absolutely against the union. One day the Scots will realise that the only way forword for Scotland is to regain our Independence. So come on Scots, we were once Independent State & if we managed to survive on our own once before, then we can do it again & if small countries like Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Ireland, Switzerland & Norway can do it on their there own then so can Scotland do it on it's own. So it's about time Scottish Nation to be free once again.

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Nina · Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject:

What I find such a sad thing is the fact that so many young Scots don't care about a free Scotland as they do about a fitba match for instance. Bearing in mind that so many Scots gave their lives for this freedom, generation after generation. I would find it almost heartbreaking to believe their blood was shed for nothing Crying or Very sad

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Aventinian · Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:04 pm Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject: h

Aventinian · Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:14 am Post subject: Re: h

SLG · Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:49 am Post subject:

True blue was banned for repeated racist comments. He didn't have any avatar to censor. The 'banned' image is just to make it clear to people looking over old posts that he is now banned. His signature did have to be censored as it made offensive comments towards gypsies.

Rinty · Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject: j

there's no comparison, trueblue was a dick wheras Aventinian is merely a pompous brit Wink

azzuri · 'Our Scotland' Fossil Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 3776

I like Aventinian - I share some of his views Surprised

although there are far more that I don't.

At least he argues his point without becoming offensive. I don't agree with him a lot of the time, but what would be the point of a forum where everyone agreed all of the time?

There was a couple of folk that complained about the UJ but they weren't exactly regular contributors. What are we supposed to do - ban a bloody flag? Get a grip - I don't particularly like the UJ either but at the end of the day it's just a pattern and colours.

Have to give the guy some credit. If there was a 'unionist' forum then I'm not sure I could've stuck it out there the way he has here despite some mud being thrown at him early on.

Anyway - enough of this love in - f**k the Union! Smile

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Nina · Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject:

Donnie · Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject:

Hey - wow second post.

I have always found the question of independence so perplexing due to the nationalism involved. In my opinion, could be very wrong, but over the many thousands of years I am yet to see any examples of nationalism that hasn't led to devisive forces and war and bloodshed. From nationalism in Bismarcks Germany to Japanese nationalism in world war two. All nationalism does is say that there is no such thing as individuality, that race and where you are born count more. It clouds your judgement and isn't country of birth complete chance?

Everyone loves their country - people are attached to where they grow up, and Scotland, is especially beautiful and indeed has a rich culture and history. However, I think it is unfair to say that every Scotsman wants independence. My impression is that most people in this country are apathetic when it comes to politics and especialy independence. The reason we have this devolved parliament is because in the referendum for independence the target of 50% of voters taking part was not reached.

Then you have to ask yourself, in an age when the world is getting so much smaller due to internet and easier, inexpensive travel, do we really want to encourage divisive forces or further integration of humanity on a world scale?

Donnie

Abieuan · Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject:

As the world is getting smaller, then so are communities all over it.
You cite some bad examples of nationalism, look at the Czech republic and Slovakia as more modern examples.
Scotland could break away from the UK without any bloodshed.

SLG · Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject:

x_scotsdream_x · Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:47 am Post subject:

Let me tell you all something though. A few days ago i was listening to a scottish radio station and on their show they were interviewing the leading bird flu researcher of Scotland - he was English. Then to follow they interviewed two senior professors of a SCOTTISH university and to my disgust heard another two ENGLISH voices. To be honest back on that amazing day in 1314 when our ancestors and scottish hero's fought for our independance, our independance was not won - the english just let us have a little bit of space for a few years and Scotland is now suffering from the same battle in a more modern and technological way. If it was up to our english neighbours, our wonderful nation would be yet another English city! I personally am sick and tired of being the "underdogs" because who exactly are we underdogs to? the english? I beg to differ, many scots are listening too much to english media and are allowing them to take over our land and i personally think it is time to put a stop to this! Keeping in mind i am 19 years old - i am still very passionate about our country and all of my friends agree with me.
Surely its time to put an end to the snobbery and give scotland exactly what it needs, what we have been fighting for all our days, Freedom!!?!
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SLG · Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject:

Welcome to the forum scotsdream. Good to hear that you and your pals in Dumfries are passionate about Scotland. Aye, we are still mostly ruled from England and most of our media is based there. As long as that remains the case, we will struggle to move on. I wouldn't blame the English now though. Most of them don't give a s**t about Scotland. If we choose to be Independent, then we will be... it is up to us to resolve the situation.

One thing that IMO is definitely not a problem is having English academics working here. Top level scientific research is a truly global industry. It is encouraged to move labs to share experience and so those progressing up the ladder often have to leave Scotland where, due to the size of the country, there may only be one lab specialising in that area. One reason that the scientific sector is so strong in Scotland is down to the ability to attract top scientists from all across the world. It is also the case that some of the Scots who get into these positions are privately educated followed by Oxbridge uni and so may not have a Scots accent.

redlak · Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject:

Just to follow up on the comments I am a Scot whose parents were in the RAF and most of my early Primary education was spent in Malta and England. This means my accent sounds English and it is often assumed so by most i come into contact with.

However my heart is Scots and besides The Bruce probably spoke with a French accent and yet his Scottishness is never in Question. So let us welcome all and not be so quick to prejudge people.
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x_scotsdream_x · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:36 am Post subject:

Thanks SLG! aye i agree with you 100% with that (about English experts) however in moderation!! this was just an example of two occasions where i have heard english voices representing scottish people - however i could name many occasions where the same thing has happened. It makes me kinda bitter to think that Scotland does not have its own Scottish leading expert on issues effecting scotland - if that sounds racist i apologise as i do not hate the whole of england there are many lovely english people - i just despise the way they try to overly influence themselves on scotland and oor culture - as its starting to seperate the country.

Also the chairman of the Dumfries & Galloway council is Scottish with an English accent and many people misjudged him as English its a very easy mistake to make and im sure no-one means any harm by it, but it would be more than a coincidence if all the english voices i have heard either on the radio or the TV were actually scots with english voices.

I appreciate both of your opinions though and apologies if some of this doesnt make sense to you as im young and daft! so im on this site to try and learn a bit more about our country lol.
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Aventinian · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject: