Our Scotland - www.our-scotland.org

Rinty · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject:

"By the way, their own cases aren't sub judice yet, are they?
We can talk about them being charged with perjury?"

Yes, and you can also talk about Tommy Sheridan being charged with perjury. You continue to display a complete lack of understanding re legal processes that you like to talk about so much.

However, any comments on any investigation or case that could impact on Tommy's case is 'sub judicie' and this forum has told you before about doing that here.

"Remind me, are those two - who've been charged with perjury - the national secretary and co-convener? That's NATIONAL?"

Yes, that's right, elected unopposed and unianimously by Solidarity members. You really needed reminded about that?

"Why do you find it interesting that I refer to them by their first names?"

Sounds like you know them. Most people, when referring to people that they don't know, would use both names, unless it was a household name that people are used ti suing the first name, like Ant & Dec or Cliff Smile

chicmac · Helping with the Count Joined: 18 Mar 2008 Posts: 395

chicmac · Helping with the Count Joined: 18 Mar 2008 Posts: 395

chicmac · Helping with the Count Joined: 18 Mar 2008 Posts: 395

William_Cleland · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject:

I dont get these figures William. Seem very small numbers for a consituency ballot.

This consituency doesnt have a holyrood equivalent so it is hard to predict what numbers solidarity will or could take.

Last years council elections, in the shettleston and Baillieston wards saw Solidarity take more votes than the Lib Dems and more then the SSP/Greens combined. With about 1,000 votes or so over the two wards.

Only about half of the Shettleston ward is in the constuency though.

The vote would be affected more if Tommy was the Solidarity candidate, but that might not be the case.

William_Cleland · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject:

Based on numbers in the Excel file for individual ballot box numbers that is available on the Scottish Office website. Same place I got the numbers for Croy and Glenmavis that I quoted in another thread:-

http://www.scotlandoffice.gov.uk/uploads/updatedversionJune08.xls

In Shettleston the numbers were closer to 5% for Solidarity (i.e. basically for Tommy Sheridan) on the regional poll and those ballot papers split like this on the constituency poll:-

SNP 271 (33.7 %)
Lab 264 (32.9 %)
Uncertain/Blank 130 (16.2 %)
LD 89 (11.1 %)
Bible Thumpers 28 (3.5 %)
Con 23 (3.2 %)
_________________
No more boom and bust - Gordon Brown

Rinty · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject:

Right, I get you. This constituency is mainly Baillieston and about 40% or so of Shettleston with bits of other ares as well. Percentage wise your figures sound about right.

By-elections are very different though and can have their own dynamics while regional votes in general election do often play out national trends.

Red Justice · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject:

I am certainly aware Shettleston is the poorest area in the UK. Remaining impoverished under both Conservative and Labour Tories over the decades. I would also think it would be quite in order for a socialist canditate to stand there. However it will be a decision of Solidarity in Glasgow if to stand a comrade and whom it would be, and not one decided by the media.
_________________
“For socialists, independence is not about the colour or type of flag flying on our public buildings. It is about creating a better society. It is about putting people before profit"
Tommy Sheridan
http://scottishsocfree.blogspot.com

shamefulsocialistpowermad · Finding Ma' Way Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 8

a one armed monkey could stand for one of the pikey parties and still no-one would vote for the. wait, thats not right.a one armed monkey could st..............naw, i was right enough.
_________________
we want a national republic of scotland controlled by a socialist like the wee mad chap in north korea.

Fedayn · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:34 am Post subject:

Another classic from Rinty's pals....

From today's Daily Record;
>
Bizarre row over school days between Glasgow East hopefuls
Jul 7 2008

A BIZARRE fight has broken out between rival socialist candidates in the Glasgow East by-election. Solidarity claimed their candidate Tricia McLeish was "disciplined" by SSP hopeful and former MSP Frances Curran when they were at school together.
A Solidarity source said: "Tricia went to the same school as the SSP candidate. "Tricia was younger and was a rebellious mod who was often disciplined by the blazer-clad prefect Frances Curran. "Frances clearly showed early signs of collusion with authority. However, maybe the class rebel will win the final victory." Curran said: "I'm not even going to dignify that with a comment." Solidarity are the party set up by Tommy Sheridan after his bitter split from the SSP over his defamation court case in 2006.
_________________
Oh bastardo bianco blu ohh ohh ohh
Insultiamo sempre piu ooohhh ooohhh ooohh
Perche merda sei, perche merda resterai
Perche merda sei, perche merda resterai

Rinty · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:03 pm Post subject:

Fedayn,

Can we keep the posts to the issues. As you know, I dont come here with every story from your 'pals' that reaches the papers, no matter how sensational. As in UKLN it is an SSP member that is bringing this silly story to the debate.

We prefer to debate scottish politics here and scotland in general.

The petty squabbling is more suited to other places. Our-Scotland is not the place, however, I will reply to comments on that subkect, its just better of not brought up.

It should be pointed out that Tricia McLeish also didnt 'dignify it with comment' expect to say to all who are interested that she has nothing to do with this story and that it isnt even true.

Fedayn · Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject:

Fedayn · Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject:

I didnt know that you were no longer a member fedayn. Apologies.

Fedayn · Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject:

Amber · Helping with the Count Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 316

I've had three days in the constituency. No sign of a solidarity candidate or worker.
I'm suprised by the number of Lib Dems.

Cymro · Getting on a bit! Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 1633

Amber, who gives a s**t? You just concentrate on the SNP, let the other parties worry their own little cotton socks about what their campaign gets up to. Solidarity have every right to fight their campaign as they see fit within their resources, just as the SNP can. Once upon a time the SNP where a small party with only a small number of volunteers and a small party structure too. Don't let where the SNP are now cloud your memories of where they where. Certainly don't use it to belittle the likes of Solidarity at all.

Amber · Helping with the Count Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 316

Red Justice · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject:

Amber that is quite an outburst.

Cymru was making a fair point. You are entitled to disagree with Solidarity as a party but I don't understand your obsessive dislike of the party (of which I am a member) Cymru is correct we are entitled to stand in the seat and campaign as the party and Tricia our candidate see fit. I am Solidarity but have some common ground with the SNP over the independence referendum I am also like Tommy Sheridan very pro-independence. The only difference I have with the SNP is I am happy in a socialist party to fight for a socialist republic and world of equality, fairness and justice.

I can see what Cymru has been saying I was reading an SNP blog (think she is an MEP) anyway she admits on her blog about the SNP support not so many years ago

"and I remember days when almost every seat was unwinnable to us. I gave short shrift to anyone who suggested we shouldn't stand because we couldn't win. People have to have the right to vote for what they believe in."

And so Solidaity is entitled to stand and build the socilaist movement in Scotland whether you like it or not.

When the referendum happens we likely will have a lot of common ground with campaigners of the pro-independence parties. I do not envisage us wanting to jump into a sack and acting like ferrets.

I suggest you stop your obssesive attacks on Solidarity and if you are SNP concentrate in arguing positely in support of your party and their policies.

That is what Our Scotland Forum should be about political debate in a civilised manner.

_________________
“For socialists, independence is not about the colour or type of flag flying on our public buildings. It is about creating a better society. It is about putting people before profit"
Tommy Sheridan
http://scottishsocfree.blogspot.com