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Rinty
Jim Baxter is God...........really!!!!
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96 of the worlds countries recognise palestine as a state, of those who dont even some of them, inlcuding the UK and EU recognise the palestine authority and now the Olympic Committe and FiFA recognise Palestine.
I agree with them. If you lived in India or Austria then Palestine is a country, you live in the UK who allow Israel to stop it being a country, then it isnt officially.
Most of those who you are siding with in this country would also tell you that Scotland and wales are not countries either.
But if you lived in Cyprus, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Pakistan, China, or Russia then Palestine WOULD be a country. Even the Vatican recognise palestine!
The whole peace process is supposed to about creating viable states to live alongside each other. But many palestinians want to live in Israel as free citizens, where they come from, not in the hell-hole that is Gaza.
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Dave Coull
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| Scotland86 wrote: | | I have manners |
Because you find it so difficult to present a coherent argument for what you believe, and, especially, because you find it so difficult to come back with any counter-argument to the points that other people put, you dismiss any extended (but reasonably argued) post from somebody who has no such difficulties as "blabber". That is not good manners.
| Scotland86 wrote: | | you can come up with all the "evidence" you wish you wont change my views |
Let's hope you never get called up for jury service. A juror taking the attitude "you can come up with all the 'evidence' you wish you wont change my views" would be incapable of giving anybody a fair trial, since they would already have made their mind up, on either 'guilty' or 'not guilty', before the start of the trial. I presume, also, that you have no desire to pursue a scientific career when you grow up? No self-respecting scientist could take the attitude "you can come up with all the 'evidence' you wish you wont change my views".
However, being realistic about it, I pretty much knew that was likely to be your attitude. The reason for arguing against you is NOT because I expect to be able to convince YOU. It is because other people beside you will read this, and some of them may take a less dogmatic attitude. |
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Holebender
Ready For Afterlife!
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So... evidence has no bearing as far as Scotland86 is concerned. This comes as no surprise to me, having already had a dispute with him in which he made it perfectly clear that evidence had no place in his thought processes, but it might possibly surprise a few of our other readers.
I don't know why I'm bothering to ask this question (I do really - it's to expose Scotland86's ignorance and racism) as you've already admitted having a completely closed mind, but I'll ask it anyway; Scotland86, what will you do if Israel backs off and treats Gazans like human beings the the Gazans do not respond by killing Israelis?
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Holebender
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Scotland86 has manners alright - bad manners. Just take a look at some of the names he resorts to in his ad hominem attacks on me just because I asked his to support his claims over Christmas traditions. Manners? He wouldn't know manners if they were to slap him in the face.
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Scotland86
Gaining a Reputation
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So now im a racist aswell a ill mannered and ignorant  anything else?
Hole "if" your scenario did happen in which the Israelis gave Hamas everything they wanted and they didnt respond with murder then there wouldnt be anything to do would there? that would bring peace, surely even you know that.
Dave - By you wont change my views that aint a generalised statement it is on this subject where i feel strongly that the Israelis are acting entirely within there rights.
Also rockets Lebanon? oh dear looks like the Israelis have another issue. Are they allowed to defend themself without any abuse? Or do you want them to sit and take these rockets aswell? |
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Dave Coull
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| Rinty wrote: | | 06 of the wrolds countries recognise palestine as a state |
06? I think that's a typing error. According to http://imeu.net/news/article0065.shtml about a hundred countries recognise Palestine. That website has a photo of a Palestinian man putting the flags of some of these countries on his boat. He is going to need a much bigger boat to get them all on.
| Rinty wrote: | | Even the Vatican recognise palestine! |
I've been saying here on this forum that the Gaza strip is like one big concentration camp. I saw on the television news last night that a Vatican spokesman has used the very same description for Gaza. There is not a lot of agreement between me and the Vatican, but I'm quite pleased to see that on this occasion they agree with me.
| Rinty wrote: | | The whole peace process is supposed to about creating viable states to live alongside each other. |
If you have two separate entities, Gaza and the West Bank, with Israel controlling contact between these two, and Israel controlling the contact that they are allowed to have with the rest of the world, that is obviously not a viable country.
| Rinty wrote: | | But many palestinians want to live in Israel as free citizens, where they come from, not in the hell-hole that is Gaza. |
An important point.
In the northern Israeli town of Jaffa, there's a sizable population of Israeli Arabs. They are Palestinians, or the descendants of Palestinians, who stayed put, despite the "terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services" David Ben Gurion advocated to force them to leave. However, many of them have relatives in Gaza - Palestinians, or the descendants of Palestinians, who left, because of the "terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services" David Ben Gurion advocated to force them to leave. The refugees should be allowed to return home. If that should change Israel from being a sectarian state based entirely on the Jewish religion and race - good.
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