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linoleum · Confirmed TROLL Joined: 06 Apr 2009 Posts: 103

[quote="Dave Coull"][quote="Rinty"]Jamesie now rejects Oxfam reports and lino rejects articles if they are in the guardian, yet 'ross kemp on gangs' is brought to the table as evidence![/quote] :lol: Â [quote="Rinty"]I have seen this programme and it cannot be treated in any way as proper documentary evidence[/quote]What you say confirms what I suspected.[quote="Rinty"]It is sensasionalist[/quote]Of course it's sensationalist. This is Ross Kemp we're talking about. A soap opera baddie married to the editor of the News of the World, who was arrested for beating him up! His life is more of a soap opera than Eastenders is![/quote]

one part of (member.ahem.cough.cough.) the clique says it and without seeing it himself, the man who feels adding to his autobiography online whilst discussing roma criminals, happily and without hesitation and no evidence just accepts it.how very strange and contradictory but then again, is it really going by standards of hypocrisy on here.

Rinty · Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:06 pm Post subject:

lino, are you seriously saying that 'ross kemp on gangs' is a serious contribution to a debate about the effect of the Slovakian Roma in Govanhill?

You rejected the guardian review of macmafia simply because it was in the Guardian, yet Dave is supposed to show sort of credence to the suggestion that 'ross kemp on gangs' is evidence?

Interesting that you ow claim to have met 'jamesie' Smile

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2809

Life is short. It's impossible for anybody to do EVERYTHING. Because it's impossible for anybody to do everything, every single one of us has to make decisions on our own priorities. Every one of us decides what we want to spend our time on, and what we don't want to spend our time on. Jamesieboy, who, in my opinion, has repeatedly shown himself to be an un-reliable reporter (to take just one example out of many, look at how inaccurately he portrayed Misha Glenny) reccomended watching Ross Kemp. Now, I know a bit about Ross Kemp. I know he played a thug in Eastenders. I know he married the editor of the New Of The World, who later became the editor of the Sun. He was quite literally in bed with some of the most sensationalised and inaccurate reporting on the planet. Wink

None of which inspires confidence in me that he would make a reliable reporter himself. It's true they had their differences (she was arrested for beating him up) but nevertheless my inclination was not to spend an hour of what remains of my life watching Ross Kemp. Rinty, who has proved himself to be a considerably more accurate reporter most of the time, said the programme

jamesieboy · Helping with the Count Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 327

I still don't know Linoleum but it's possible he knows me.

Once, I featured on Tam Cowan's late night programme just before a Scotland v Holland game in competition with a big fat guy blowing up a rubber doll.

The big fat guy won.

jamesieboy · Helping with the Count Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 327

Ross Kemp has, for some time, been trying to ditch his Eastender/Soap
image by being more adventurous.

His on dangerous gangs has taken him to some seriously dangerous places meeting some seriously nasty characters: the Salvatruchas in El Salvador; the Crips and Bloods in Los Angeles and St Louis; the horrendous gangs in the Cape Town townships and extreme thugs like John Mongrel; the drug gangs in the favelas of Rio and Belize to mention a few.

And he's done two series of programmes on the frontline in Afghanistan where the bullets were definitely not false.

He has gone where very few journalists, let alone any normal, cowardly individual will venture.

In other words he makes serious programmes in serious places about very serious people and your flippant remarks, Dave, about who he shagged, who he played in a previous life once again weakens your case.

Holebender · Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:55 am Post subject:

Were you competing against the rubber doll as "jamsieboy" and are you the only person to use that moniker? Do you even use it in real life? If not, how could trollinoleum know he'd met you and not some other jamsieboy? How would he know it was you unless you exchanged some information which would confirm your identity to him? Somebody's lying.
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linoleum · Confirmed TROLL Joined: 06 Apr 2009 Posts: 103

[quote="Rinty"]lino, are you seriously saying that 'ross kemp on gangs' is a serious contribution to a debate about the effect of the Slovakian Roma in Govanhill?

You rejected the guardian review of macmafia simply because it was in the Guardian, yet Dave is supposed to show sort of credence to the suggestion that 'ross kemp on gangs' is evidence?

Interesting that you ow claim to have met 'jamesie' :)[/quote]

the guardian is a disgrace of a newspaper, a rag and reprehensible at times with it's views and reporting.ross kemp on gangs is tabloid at best but at least entertaining.

the point i'm making is the criticism aimed at me and jamsey about accepting things as credible without seeing/reading for myself. autobigraphical dave without seeing/watching gleefully accpeted your views as credible. rank hypocrisy.rank full stop.but i'm sure it will give him an excuse to construct 5 paragraphs telling us about his early years working 27 hours per day in the pits for a thrupence ha'penny.

Rinty · Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:57 am Post subject:

"the guardian is a disgrace of a newspaper, a rag and reprehensible at times"

can you eloboate on that? I dont read the guardian, but the only contribution in this debate from the guardian was a book review. Do you have any reason to reject their book reviews?

Personally I see it too 'english' for me, and prefer to buy a scottish paper for football and politics news more relevant to me.

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2809

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2809

In the very first post under this subject heading,

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2809

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2809

linoleum · Confirmed TROLL Joined: 06 Apr 2009 Posts: 103

"It is NORMAL to mention things from your own experience which you consider relevant to what is being discussed. That is what people do in everyday conversation, that is what people do in real, live, face-to-face discussions every day".

this is what aurobiographical dave said, that is what jamseyboy and i did when discussing govanhell, yet our expiriences are dismissed out of hand as racist and are regarded as work of the bnp.

criticism was aired about people accepting opionion/facts without verification or clarificatuon yet autobiographical dave quickly and without evidence accpeted runty's take on ross kemp.

RANK HYPOCRISY folks.

and all this giving details of who posters are, you protest to much, it just adds credence to the opinion that at least a couple of posters on here (from the clique) are the same person.

i was asked about the gurdian, heres an example of their tabloid tactics and why i regard it as any other mainstream tabloid rag with it's own agenda.

recently a passport forger, convicted criminal, former heroin addict and chap who threatened british people with bombings was returned to the uk from camp gitmo in cuba.

the guardian in reporting this story in a 3 page spread ignored completely his previous convictions and threats and went on at great length about about his poor physical condition and treatment by the usa. they cheerfully also neglected to mention this baffoon was on hunger strike.

i don't want this to turn into a debate about this hoodlum but i'm pointing out how the guardian is no better or worse in reporting or it's views than the tabloid and egenda driven rags like the daily mail or the daily star.

no, i did'nt buy it, i read it whilst waiting for a mate in all bar one in glasgow.

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2809

At 7pm on Tuesday the 7th of April,

jamesieboy · Helping with the Count Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 327

So that's it then. Ross Kemp and his documentaries are not credible because Rinty and Dave SAY so.

On what basis can they make this instant judgement? Maybe he got folk to pose as Roma and make the statements they did. Because their comments were a terrible indictment of the Roma community throughout Europe.

They were saying that Roma gangs are very well organised and engage in criminal activity around Europe. How can you deny this. If it was a court this would be admissable as corroborating evidence.

Why keep denying to suit your sad, mistaken political ideology?

That's the thing which most people would find rather odd about this site -
the way the individuals in the PC clique claim that their way and their opinions are law. They are authoritative and anyone who has the guts to raise the issue of ethnic crime is branded a racist and a BNP sympathiser.

I find that both pathetic and puerile. I have no sympathies with the BNP and anyone who knows me will testify that. This is purely a divertionary tactic used by those who are now losing the argument.

And I will continue to inform and expose this, and any other sort of crime.

I think the Left have always had a problem with the subject of crime and criminals. Their analysis is simplistic and naive. They think it is purely a problem of poverty, as if being 'poor' is an excuse for you to engage in criminal behaviour.

Eastern European crime is a huge problem in this country and those who deal in their work with this, as well as those communities who are affected by it will testify to this.

jamesieboy · Helping with the Count Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 327

Oh and by the way, i still don't know who linoleum is.

I've met thousands of people in my life. He could be any one of those.

agentmancuso · Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:08 pm Post subject:

Holebender · Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject:

Could it possibly be because he's an actor and not a journalist? He has no journalistic credentials or experience therefore his reportage is suspect.
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agentmancuso · Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:18 pm Post subject:

Not much in the way of acting credentials either...

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