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Stevie
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The dividend, ah that would be the coming spending cuts, especially the Tory NHS cuts of £4 billion plus should provide the sort of dividend we're used to and that's just the beginning.
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| Stevie wrote: | | The dividend, ah that would be the coming spending cuts, especially the Tory NHS cuts of £4 billion plus should provide the sort of dividend we're used to and that's just the beginning. |
your not bright, no matter who is in power, cuts have to be made. |
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Stevie
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So, where's the dividend then?
Cuts have to be made because the unionist politicians have screwed up the economy.
There's is no dividend just pain and heartache to come.
Unionist politicians are not bright and thus the people who continue to vote for them are at best not bright to continue to support this system.
But yes you think it's the SNP who've made mistakes...
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| Stevie wrote: | So, where's the dividend then?
Cuts have to be made because the unionist politicians have screwed up the economy.
There's is no dividend just pain and heartache to come.
Unionist politicians are not bright and thus the people who continue to vote for them are at best not bright to continue to support this system.
But yes you think it's the SNP who've made mistakes... |
good lord. i have had 40 years of the dividend living in the uk. some times are better than others but on the whole i'm happy and positive about the union. the snp have had nothing to with that. an independent scotland has had nothing to with that.
i don't know how to make that any clearer for you.
i'm happy, comfortable in terms of finance, live in a nice house, in anice area (most expensive in scotland as it happens-good for the value of my home if we ever sell) and my wife, family, friends and colleauges tell me they are in a similar position.
that to me is a dividend.for you it's bad cos the snp have nowt to do with it but heyho.your in france, i'm not.i know how good i've got it, you don't.get over it. |
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Stevie
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The dividend is fine for you then.
We're talking about Scotland as a whole.
When the cuts come, the population not living in the 'most expensive' area in Scotland won't see it as a dividend the same way you do.
The divid (e) end.
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| Fidget wrote: | | Dave Coull wrote: | | The title of this thread is "The Union Dividend". |
Quite a bizarre thread title I thought since the union can't pay itself a dividend. Can it? |
It was one of those phrases coined by Labour politicians in a pointless effort to convince us all that we're getting a good deal out of the union. Bizarre indeed.
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Holebender
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So, landg, you would sum up your political philosophy as I'm alright Jack?
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landg
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | | So, landg, you would sum up your political philosophy as I'm alright Jack? |
nope, if you rrad my post properly you'll see i refer to family, friends and colleagues, they are all doing fine as well. family, friends colleagues with whom i'm in close and regular contact maybe comes to about 50 people. not many in the grand scheme but enough to draw conclusions. |
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| now, when my father, or friend or a colleauge says to me they are in dire straits, life is awful and they say 'it's because of the union, it's the union thats causing the problem' i will look into it. |
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Fidget
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | | Fidget wrote: | | Dave Coull wrote: | | The title of this thread is "The Union Dividend". |
Quite a bizarre thread title I thought since the union can't pay itself a dividend. Can it? |
It was one of those phrases coined by Labour politicians in a pointless effort to convince us all that we're getting a good deal out of the union. Bizarre indeed. |
I'd stop short at "..out of the union", but the rest I agree with. |
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If you'd stop short at "out of the union" how could you agree with the term "union dividend"?
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Fidget
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...because I mean this is what I agree with in what you said:
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It was one of those phrases coined by Labour politicians in a pointless effort to convince us all that we're getting a good deal |
What's so difficult to understand about that? Labour politicians have been trying to convince the whole UK that it's getting a good deal. The word "union" doesn't figure in that in a "because of the union" sense. |
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| Stevie wrote: | | Cuts have to be made because the unionist politicians have screwed up the economy. |
It is not the duty of the government to prevent any adverse economic circumstances from occurring. This is a liberal country, in case you haven't noticed.
| Quote: | | Unionist politicians are not bright |
Have you seen the SNP's front bench recently? I'm inclined to say that the vast majority of members of the Scottish Parliament more generally are just dross.
| Stevie wrote: | | The dividend, ah that would be the coming spending cuts, especially the Tory NHS cuts of £4 billion plus should provide the sort of dividend we're used to and that's just the beginning. |
I'm not entirely sure how you expect Department of Health spending cuts in England to affect the NHS in Scotland. I am equally uncertain as to where you received your copy of a budget that hasn't been drafted yet by a government that isn't in office yet. |
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Holebender
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| Aventinian wrote: | | I'm not entirely sure how you expect Department of Health spending cuts in England to affect the NHS in Scotland. |
It's that pesky Barnett Formula, don't you know? Cuts in English departmental budgets lead to proportionate cuts in Scotland's budget. Of course, the individual departments in Scotland will have their budgets set in Edinburgh, but the pot of money available is determined in Whitehall.
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Fidget
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| Pesky Barnett Formua indeed. With a declining population, Scotland is doing rather well out of it. |
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Holebender
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Nonsense. Scotland is being stripped of her assets and given beads in return. The UK can keep the Barnett Formula and Scotland should keep its own resources.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Stevie wrote: | The dividend is fine for you then.
We're talking about Scotland as a whole.
When the cuts come, the population not living in the 'most expensive' area in Scotland won't see it as a dividend the same way you do.
The divid (e) end. |
Stevie, I suggest you check out the SNP website particularly around the pledge to cut public bodies by 25%
Is this not a cut which will result in job losses and poorer levels of service?
Whats the difference between an SNP cut and those of the other main 3 political parties? |
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landg
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| Holebender wrote: | | Nonsense. Scotland is being stripped of her assets and given beads in return. The UK can keep the Barnett Formula and Scotland should keep its own resources. |
where is thismhappening?
what assets are being stripped? |
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Fidget
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| Holebender wrote: | | Nonsense. Scotland is being stripped of her assets and given beads in return. The UK can keep the Barnett Formula and Scotland should keep its own resources. |
Nothing I say is "nonsense".
The rest of your post suggests that scotland is a country removed from the rest of the UK and being raped of resources. Its not. It's very much part of the UK. |
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Ultra
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | | Nonsense. Scotland is being stripped of her assets and given beads in return. The UK can keep the Barnett Formula and Scotland should keep its own resources. |
Holebender, so if Scotland becomes independent, do you think the Scottish Government will be trying to retain as many 'assets' as possible in Scotland?
E.g. Military, power plants, NHS
Are these 'assets' going to be valued and the rest of the UK paid the fair market share for these assets being transferred to Scotland?
What will be the price of independence?
Wasn't it the SNP who said they would like to keep dual nationality passports for Scotland and the rest of the UK?
Wasn't it the SNP who wanted to use the UK foriegn embassies abroad to save cash because they did not want to create their own?
What kind of independence is this? The 'have your cake and eat it' variety? Pretend standing on your own two feet with a safety net option.
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