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landg
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it was a bad policeman who did it and ran away, it wisnae the illegal immigrant or the man with a history of violence who refused to follow police orders, wisna e their fault, no way.
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| landg wrote: | | it was a bad policeman who did it and ran away, it wisnae the illegal immigrant or the man with a history of violence who refused to follow police orders, wisna e their fault, no way. |
In other words: "No I can't provide evidence that Harry Stanley refused to comply with orders, nor am I aware that the police have been proven to be lying on several occasions with respect to Jean Charles de Menezes.". |
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Shagpile
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| Alasdair wrote: | | Shagpile wrote: | Of course they all knew he was in violation of his visa.
This stinks so much. |
Are you suggesting the boy was shot because of his visa violation?!! |
Forgive me, that was a cheap shot.
One of the excuses trotted out at the time was that he was an illegal.
Not tonight, but maybe tomorrow I'll get back with some links......
Got to look for them again, sorry. |
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| But it does provide justification to the feeble minded..... see above. |
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Shagpile
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His signature is "Scottish mentality"!
Must be a Labour voter.  |
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landg
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| babykitten wrote: | | landg wrote: | | it was a bad policeman who did it and ran away, it wisnae the illegal immigrant or the man with a history of violence who refused to follow police orders, wisna e their fault, no way. |
In other words: "No I can't provide evidence that Harry Stanley refused to comply with orders, nor am I aware that the police have been proven to be lying on several occasions with respect to Jean Charles de Menezes.". |
the stupid man with the big stick and a well documented history of violnce was repeatedly told to to put down what was thought to be a gun.he did'nt. he paid the price for his stupidity.
the illeagal immigrant ran away from the police. he was asked to stop.he did'nt. he paid the price for his stupidity.
it's not the polices fault people do stupid things. |
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Do you get all your information from the tabloids?
There has been a full official enquiry into the Jean Charles de Menezes case and the official findings were that he did not run from the police and he was not challenged at any time before entering the train. Your version is nothing but a lie.
He wasn't wearing a bulky jacket either, btw.
I have never heard of Harry Stanley having a history of violence, nor can I find any reference to such a history, so please justify your statement. Even if the man did have a history of violence, when did that become a capital offence?
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landg
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | Do you get all your information from the tabloids?
There has been a full official enquiry into the Jean Charles de Menezes case and the official findings were that he did not run from the police and he was not challenged at any time before entering the train. Your version is nothing but a lie.
He wasn't wearing a bulky jacket either, btw.
I have never heard of Harry Stanley having a history of violence, nor can I find any reference to such a history, so please justify your statement. Even if the man did have a history of violence, when did that become a capital offence? |
if you read the reports on menezes it remains unclear if warning were or were not shouted, and it is clear that the illeagal immigrant did run along the platform. i really feel for the police officers in this situation, they have to live with their action for the rest of teir lives. i hope the shoot to kill policy remains in place and this unfortunately has to be to the head so as not to set off any device.
as for armed robber mr. stanley, he was just an idiot. |
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You are the idiot. Produce references for your defamatory comments about Harry Stanley, or withdraw them and apologise.
There was absolutely no ambiguity about the de Menezes case and you must have received a different copy of the enquiry report from everyone else. Again, produce citations or withdraw your lies. The only ambiguity is in the police's perjured evidence, as not one non-police eye witness corroborated the police version. He only ran to catch the train, not to evade anyone. Is running for a train now punishable by death? Better hope you're never late for a train!
And why do you persist with the illegal immigrant slur? The man had a valid visa and, even if he didn't, has that become a capital offence?
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Shagpile
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And the bent coppers knew of his criminal record when they summilarily executed him?
I do not believe your psudo concern re Mr De Menzes cold blooded murder either. The gung-ho pillock almost shot dead one of the observation coppers too........ had that happend, I believe you would have been truely remorsefull. |
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landg
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And the bent coppers knew of his criminal record when they summilarily executed him?
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probably. he was not executed, thats just left wing sabre-rattling.
bent coppers, execution. it's the kinda stuff you would read in a colin fox novel.very poor show indeed.
again, the cops did the right thing on both occassions. y thoughts are with those who pulled the trigger, they have to live with the thought they had kill, for public safety, in the line of duty for the rest of their lives. brave men and not paid enough. |
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Shagpile
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| landg wrote: | | probably. he was not executed, thats just left wing sabre-rattling. |
Coppers who lie under oath are bent IMHO. You say they "probably" new of his record....... did they even know his name then? The member of the public as far as I'm aware did not identify Mr Stanley by name. |
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landg
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Shagpile wrote: | | landg wrote: | | probably. he was not executed, thats just left wing sabre-rattling. |
Coppers who lie under oath are bent IMHO. You say they "probably" new of his record....... did they even know his name then? The member of the public as far as I'm aware did not identify Mr Stanley by name. |
aye.good. and i was asked to wothdraw my comments about the idiot with the chair leg being an armed robber. |
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| Shagpile wrote: | And the bent coppers knew of his criminal record when they summilarily executed him?
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So, you're saying they probably knew his identity, i.e. that he was a Brazillian citizen and not an Islamic terrorist? Why did they kill him, in that case?
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landg
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| Holebender wrote: | | Shagpile wrote: | And the bent coppers knew of his criminal record when they summilarily executed him?
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So, you're saying they probably knew his identity, i.e. that he was a Brazillian citizen and not an Islamic terrorist? Why did they kill him, in that case? |
'probably' was in reference to the silly chair leg man. do keep up. of the poor coppers did not know the identity of of the brazilian immigrant, if they did they would not have shot him but i'm sure you know that. i hope........ |
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Shagpile
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| landg wrote: | | Shagpile wrote: | | landg wrote: | | probably. he was not executed, thats just left wing sabre-rattling. |
Coppers who lie under oath are bent IMHO. You say they "probably" new of his record....... did they even know his name then? The member of the public as far as I'm aware did not identify Mr Stanley by name. |
aye.good. and i was asked to wothdraw my comments about the idiot with the chair leg being an armed robber. |
Being an idiot is a capital offence now then?
Take care my friend....... stay away..... far, far away from coppers then.....especially if they've got guns!  |
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I am still waiting for you to provide any evidence that the "silly chair leg man" had any sort of criminal record, let alone a history of violence.
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landg
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| Shagpile wrote: | | landg wrote: | | Shagpile wrote: | | landg wrote: | | probably. he was not executed, thats just left wing sabre-rattling. |
Coppers who lie under oath are bent IMHO. You say they "probably" new of his record....... did they even know his name then? The member of the public as far as I'm aware did not identify Mr Stanley by name. |
aye.good. and i was asked to wothdraw my comments about the idiot with the chair leg being an armed robber. |
Being an idiot is a capital offence now then?
Take care my friend....... stay away..... far, far away from coppers then.....especially if they've got guns! |
you may think i'm an idiot, hey, i think your an idiot. we are in good and extended company here. who is the bigger idiot though, the idiot who does what armed police tell him or the idiot who does not. then there are the idiots who defend the idiot (and armed robber) who through his own own idiocy got shot.
now, off you go back to the village, the locals are worried about you. they may mock you but they don't like you being out after dark. you could fall over or mistake a kerb for your tea. |
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| landg wrote: | | Holebender wrote: | | Shagpile wrote: | And the bent coppers knew of his criminal record when they summilarily executed him?
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So, you're saying they probably knew his identity, i.e. that he was a Brazillian citizen and not an Islamic terrorist? Why did they kill him, in that case? |
'probably' was in reference to the silly chair leg man. do keep up. of the poor coppers did not know the identity of of the brazilian immigrant, if they did they would not have shot him but i'm sure you know that. i hope........ |
They also didn't have good pictures of their actual target. They were not sure what he looked like. When asked by their commander how sure were they.... 80-90%? Their response was disbelief!
Why oh why did they have to shoot dead an innocent man after being so uncertain they had followed their correct target? An innocent man who was surrounded by police?
The inquest jury was not impressed. They had all the facts. You don't...... yet YOU claim they did the right thing and were justified.
Do you think they were being truthful when they claim they had identified themselves as armed police and issued a challenge?
Not ONE witness heard ANY challenge.
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