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landg
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| Holebender wrote: | | I am still waiting for you to provide any evidence that the "silly chair leg man" had any sort of criminal record, let alone a history of violence. |
might i suggest you read this page of the thread properly.
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Alasdair
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| landg wrote: | | This post is awaiting approval by a mod/admin before it will be shown to other users. |
This is kind of bugging me, do his comments really require approval? Admin/Mods? Anyone?
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landg
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Shagpile wrote: | | landg wrote: | | Holebender wrote: | | Shagpile wrote: | And the bent coppers knew of his criminal record when they summilarily executed him?
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So, you're saying they probably knew his identity, i.e. that he was a Brazillian citizen and not an Islamic terrorist? Why did they kill him, in that case? |
'probably' was in reference to the silly chair leg man. do keep up. of the poor coppers did not know the identity of of the brazilian immigrant, if they did they would not have shot him but i'm sure you know that. i hope........ |
They also didn't have good pictures of their actual target. They were not sure what he looked like. When asked by their commander how sure were they.... 80-90%? Their response was disbelief!
Why oh why did they have to shoot dead an innocent man after being so uncertain they had followed their correct target? An innocent man who was surrounded by police?
The inquest jury was not impressed. They had all the facts. You don't...... yet YOU claim they did the right thing and were justified.
Do you think they were being truthful when they claim they had identified themselves as armed police and issued a challenge?
Not ONE witness heard ANY challenge. |
to whom are you refering?
the silly chair man or the illegal immigrant?
you quoted me when i had made refernce to both. |
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Shagpile
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| landg wrote: | to whom are you refering?
the silly chair man or the illegal immigrant?
you quoted me when i had made refernce to both. |
OK, cut to the quick, bearing in mind your "cencor" problems at this time.
In the case of the "illegal immigrant". I firmly believe absolutely NO warnings were issued at the time. The offecers which heard the warnings were definately lying.
When the news broke..... I immagine WHY?! THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED..... WHY 7 times?
Why, seven times?
Simply because ....... people wanted to know....... "Why seven times"?
The news at that time reported, he had been shot seven times in the head.
Journalists.... anticiptating the public WHY? Reported that is how Israelis delt with "Suicide Bombers", and that the "British Police" learned from their training.
That is why I believe no warning was given....... To immediately neutralise a threat by providing a warning is, well...... stupid! |
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landg
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| Shagpile wrote: | | landg wrote: | to whom are you refering?
the silly chair man or the illegal immigrant?
you quoted me when i had made refernce to both. |
OK, cut to the quick, bearing in mind your "cencor" problems at this time.
In the case of the "illegal immigrant". I firmly believe absolutely NO warnings were issued at the time. The offecers which heard the warnings were definately lying.
When the news broke..... I immagine WHY?! THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED..... WHY 7 times?
Why, seven times?
Simply because ....... people wanted to know....... "Why seven times"?
The news at that time reported, he had been shot seven times in the head.
Journalists.... anticiptating the public WHY? Reported that is how Israelis delt with "Suicide Bombers", and that the "British Police" learned from their training.
That is why I believe no warning was given....... To immediately neutralise a threat by providing a warning is, well...... stupid! |
i do not think the officers were lying.
and even if they did not shout a warning it is obvious why, they suspected a train was to be blown up, you have to neutralise that and not give the suspect the chance to become a murder bomber.
7 bullets? obvious - end the threat.completely.
these brave cops followed what they thought was a walking bomb into a confined and underground space and got up close. it's bloody medals they deserve, not vicious handwringing. |
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Dave Coull
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| landg wrote: | | it's bloody medals they deserve |
Fortunately, the number of people who would agree with you about giving medals for pumping seven bullets into a completely innocent citizen of Brazil is probably about the same as the number of people who signed your petition for the resignation of Kenneth MacAskill. |
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| landg wrote: | | i do not think |
True.
| Quote: | | the officers were lying. |
Also true.
| Quote: | | and even if they did not shout a warning it is obvious why |
I know.
| Quote: | | they suspected a train was to be blown up |
Why? He would have done it already if that was his single goal.
| Quote: | | you have to neutralise that and not give the suspect the chance to become a murder bomber. |
Fair point...... I UNDERSTAND THAT, where was the ....... clue, evedence to back up their decision....... THEY WERE NOT EVEN SURE OF THE IDENTITY OF THE TARGET THEY WERE TRACKING! Open season on everyone then...... hope you're next, given YOU approve and stuff like that, in a friendly kind of way of course.
| Quote: | | 7 bullets? obvious - end the threat.completely. |
Really? No other consquences to consider? What about the leveling of abuse? Think about it........ now a Brit knows what it's like to be a Palestinian..... OR....... a Christian knows what it's like to be treated like a Mouslem.
BTW, it should have been 8. If you have ever been trained to discharge a semi-automatic wepon, you're trained to fire in 2 round bursts.
AND to do it twice!
One of them missed once! Evidence he was not even a good shot! Never mind good on judgement.
Fully automatic weapons are in bursts of 5, but that's an aside.
| Quote: | | these brave cops followed what they thought was a walking bomb into a confined and underground space and got up close. it's bloody medals they deserve, not vicious handwringing. |
Wrong, they boarded a train, at a station to shoot someone who had to be identified to them by someone who was not sure. Autorised by a Commander, who was at all times, seeking to validate all times her commands, failing (posibly deliberately) to grasp what the situation truely was.
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