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Corby Boy
Standing in a Council Ward
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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Location: South of Hadrian's Wall
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The key for me is not about numbering but whether Queen Liz is considered rightful Queen of Scots or not.
The Stewarts were usurped off the throne (as well as English) against the wishes of a great many Scots. So, I for one do not recognise her right. But that is a personal, thing and I guess I am carrying on the Jacobite tradition of my ancestors.
Actually, I couldnt give a hoot about any kind of monarchy. I don't think an independent Scotland necessarily needs one. But some say its good for tourism.
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Dave Coull
Independentista
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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| Corby Boy wrote: | | The Stewarts were usurped off the throne |
There were dozens and dozens of usurpations in Scottish history, long before the Stewarts got their jotters. The Stewarts were themselves the heirs of multiple usurpations. To take just one example out of countless, what about when Macbeth was displaced, that was a usurpation, which happened, against the wishes of a great many Scots, with the help of a Northumbrian army. Macbeth had ruled peacefully for seventeen years (a long time in those days) and had even gone on a pilgrimage to Rome, which lasted about six months, leaving the country in the hands of his stepson and his pals, and had been welcomed back, as still king, with no problem. Of course usurpers generally try to make out they were the "rightful" monarchs. That crawler Shakespeare wrote that pack of lies, his play called "Macbeth", to flatter James the Sixth. Now, in reality, at the time of Macbeth, the Stewarts' ancestors were still in France. But some other crawler up in Aberdeenshire had written a pamphlet claiming the Stewarts were descended from some character called "Banquo" (he made the name up) and this rubbish was treated seriously because it gave the king a long lineage which didn't go back to one of William the Conqueror's less important hangers-on. So Shakespeare took this rubbish, and put "Banquo" in his play, or rather, Banquo's ghost, speaking important prophecies which would of course ultimately be fulfilled by James the Sixth (what a coincidence!).
Mind you, if we are honest about it, there had already been dozens of usurpations BEFORE Macbeth. In fact, the FIRST usurpation happened the very first time somebody said "I'm making myself king and you have to do what I tell you".
I'm no supporter of that bunch of frauds the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, or Windsor, or whatever they are calling themselves these days, but it seems ridiculous to me that folk can still seriously suggest that other bunch of frauds, the Stewarts, had/have some magical "right to rule". |
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Pytheas
Finding Ma' Way
Joined: 26 Aug 2009
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| Can't we have a Lulach II or Giric II, that would be good for a laugh. |
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Stevie
Independentist
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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I'm not very sure what I'd call members of the royal family.
As people, I've nothing much to say but as royals, I have a whole list of appropriate names with which to label them.
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magister ludi
Gaining a Reputation
Joined: 13 Dec 2008
Posts: 225
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| Pytheas wrote: | | Can't we have a Lulach II or Giric II, . |
fine......but no need for an "Ale X"
a great FM........ but a poor REX |
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magister ludi
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| Bravehand wrote: | | I'm not very sure what I'd call members of the royal family. |
Don't you worry your pretty little head about it Bravehand.....they have a chap who keeps you right on matters of protocol...........(should the need ever arise......ARISE, ARISE SIR BRAVEHAND!!!) |
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Stevie
Independentist
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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A friend said he saw a comedian at the Edinburgh Festival (Frankie Connoly I think) commenting on a recent visit to the US by Charles and Camilla :
I can just see some Americans seeing them and saying,
'My, that Diana sure hasn't aged well'.
Viva la republicą!
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