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Ultra
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| Shagpile wrote: | OK, now I see....... It's not Stan anymore, it's Lorrettah!
No...no... I'm wrong, you're Spike insisting I should follow a sandall or something?
Answer the post! Not summerise your previous and expect me to adopt your gourd.
It of course comes down to.... yet again..... why would they do that to their own people?
Not the guys with th white hats..... OH NOOoooooo.
They wouldn't do it to their own people......
Hitler yes. Sadam Yes! Mugabe YES!!!!
GW Naw......
Although nowt to do with his administration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment
And the kicker is..... it's not been outlawed. They can do it again IF there is Senate approval.
So, now you can rule out that excuse.
AND, you never yet me get off the Twin Towers and on to the Pentagon, et all......... |
Shag,
So either Loose Change is indeed correct and the 9/11 attacks were carried out by the US Government or the 4 seperate programmes on 2 different channels, 1 which featured the Loose Change director himself, are correct.
Which 1 is it?
Answer your post on what? I have no idea what point you are trying to make. I am commenting on Loose Change and the programmes I have watched on 9/11.
You haven't watched the programmes so there is indeed no point in continuing discussing programmes you have not watched with you is there?
I cannot comment on why MOSSAD have recording equipment set up. I have no idea. I do not work for MOSSAD. Why did they have recording equipment set up? More importantly, who said they had recording equipment set up? Evidence please.
Wikipedia? Oh please? Don't embarrass yourself any more. At least the programmes I am commenting on are from well respected broadcasters.
There is indeed alot of Loose Change de-bunking still to take place which is why the programmes focused on the main conspiracy theories. If you take the main conspiracy theories away though, the rest are either coincidences or random acts.
But I suppose if it's in you make up to look for a conspiracy theory then you will find it.
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the earth is round.
get over it. |
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Ultra wrote: | | Answer your post on what? I have no idea what point you are trying to make. I am commenting on Loose Change and the programmes I have watched on 9/11. |
Like I said in my post, someone unable to understand 'minority government', is not going to be able to understand much anyway.
I'm not trying to tell you what to think, nor am I trying to tell you what to believe. Yet this post of yours; and others, is indicative that you will not consider other perspectives.
I'm only telling you what I believe. And you make too many assumptions of how I arrive at what I choose to believe.
| Quote: | | I cannot comment on why MOSSAD have recording equipment set up. I have no idea. I do not work for MOSSAD. Why did they have recording equipment set up? More importantly, who said they had recording equipment set up? Evidence please. |
Did you miss that in your TV documentaries?........ You mean it wasn't included?........ Related and relevant things like that ommited from a conspiracy de-bunking exercise? Makes me believe their REMIT was reported, NOT THEIR INVESTIGATION!
"Why did they have recording equipment set up? More importantly, who said they had recording equipment set up? Evidence please".
GOOGLE it for yourself, pick your own headings to read, remember when you do...... you chose which ones to read.
They went on Israeli TV and told viewers what they did and why.
| Quote: | | Wikipedia? Oh please? Don't embarrass yourself any more. At least the programmes I am commenting on are from well respected broadcasters. |
Google THAT yourself too.
| Quote: | | There is indeed alot of Loose Change de-bunking still to take place |
And you're on a one woman mission. Remember, scrutinise everything the same..... Official or Conspiracy, I bet if you do it right.... YOU will ask more questions.
| Quote: | | But I suppose if it's in you make up to look for a conspiracy theory then you will find it. |
Turned round and right back at you. |
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Ultra
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Shag,
I am not making any assumptions about you except for not having seen the TV Programmes I have watched about 9/11 disputing the main conspiracy theories in Loose Change.
I don't need to. Because yours are even more bizarre than Loose Change.
How do you crash a plane full of fuel into 2 twin towers wired for demolition wothout setting of the explosive changes?
Which way did both the twin towers fall down? From the bottom up like if you blew up a building or the top down like it shows up in any footage of the buildings falling? |
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Holebender
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Many types of explosives are very stable and require specific forms of detonation. They would not be set off by a plane crash. And, of course, it is perfectly possible to rig your charges so they explode in sequence from the top down. Those two examples are definitely not adequate to debunk any conspiracy theory.
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Ultra
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | | Many types of explosives are very stable and require specific forms of detonation. They would not be set off by a plane crash. And, of course, it is perfectly possible to rig your charges so they explode in sequence from the top down. Those two examples are definitely not adequate to debunk any conspiracy theory. |
Without 10000's of people everyday who used the twin towers seeing them over 6 months or more wiring the towers, 100's of people required to wire up the towers and nobody saying anything about being involved, or any evidence being left at the scene?
What about the 10 floors or more which were left in each tower after they collapsed?
Would the extensive fire covering a number of floors not have destroyed the charges, wiring, explosives, and dentonators? |
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Holebender
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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As I've already said the time, personnel and materiel required to rig the charges is the strongest argument against the conspiracy theories. The lack of any residual evidence is another although, I suppose, the people who set it up could have cleared up afterwards but, again, it would be a huge exercise.
Aviation fuel doesn't burn at especially high temperatures (one of the compelling arguments against the fire having brought the buildings down) and certain types of explosive hardware could certainly withstand the heat. They use explosives to put out oilwell fires and anything which can withstand a burning well can certainly withstand burning kerosene.
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Ultra
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | As I've already said the time, personnel and materiel required to rig the charges is the strongest argument against the conspiracy theories. The lack of any residual evidence is another although, I suppose, the people who set it up could have cleared up afterwards but, again, it would be a huge exercise.
Aviation fuel doesn't burn at especially high temperatures (one of the compelling arguments against the fire having brought the buildings down) and certain types of explosive hardware could certainly withstand the heat. They use explosives to put out oilwell fires and anything which can withstand a burning well can certainly withstand burning kerosene. |
Did you see any of the programmes on National Geo or Channel 4? |
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Holebender
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No. It's not something which greatly interests me. I just know a thing or two about engineering so I can see where things are possible and where they are highly unlikely.
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Ultra
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | | No. It's not something which greatly interests me. I just know a thing or two about engineering so I can see where things are possible and where they are highly unlikely. |
Ok. The programme pretty much tested out the main conspiracy theories including blowing up a building and taking you through the stages of how it was demolition plus evidence which would remain immediately after. Pretty much what you said on man power and time too.
Plus carried out experiment on various explosives and heat required to weaken the beams to cause the collapse.
It was 4 seperate programmes on 2 different channels all featuring a different aspects to 9/11 and different evidence which would disprove various conspiracy theories.
It's not a subject which greatly interest me tbh. I have caught a few interviews with the Loose Change director over the years on talk radio and that was my reason for watching Loose Change.
As he was featured in one of the programmes I decided to watch it and the experiments which they carried out. |
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | | Many types of explosives are very stable and require specific forms of detonation. They would not be set off by a plane crash. And, of course, it is perfectly possible to rig your charges so they explode in sequence from the top down. Those two examples are definitely not adequate to debunk any conspiracy theory. |
Absolutely correct Holebender. Which is exactly why we can sleep at night knowing if there's a fire in one of our neuclear bomb dumps. our Nukes will not distroy Europe overnight.
Ultra, conventional explosives detonate a Nuke.  |
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Ultra wrote: | | Would the extensive fire covering a number of floors not have destroyed the charges, wiring, explosives, and dentonators? |
NO.
If any damage to wiring to charges occurred it would have been negligible.
Why?
Chages were placed around ALL central columns, and failure eg one specific floor would have had no effect; considering all (more or less) floors would have been wired....... safety factor again. |
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | | As I've already said the time, personnel and materiel required to rig the charges is the strongest argument against the conspiracy theories. The lack of any residual evidence is another although, I suppose, the people who set it up could have cleared up afterwards but, again, it would be a huge exercise. |
Some food for thought.........
http://www.historyonthenet.com/WW2/great_escape.htm
Now, in a place where prisoners' escape was definately expected..... The Luftwaffe did not detect the dirt from "Tom", "Dick" or "Harry". Who, in the Twin Towers ever expected they'd be blown to dust? Especially as they had "sniffer dogs" to protect them?
| Quote: | | Aviation fuel doesn't burn at especially high temperatures (one of the compelling arguments against the fire having brought the buildings down) and certain types of explosive hardware could certainly withstand the heat. They use explosives to put out oilwell fires and anything which can withstand a burning well can certainly withstand burning kerosene. |
Also an arguament against "how the temperatures" in such an inferno could "vapourise the wreckage" of the 737; which alledgedly, hit the pentagon. |
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | | No. It's not something which greatly interests me. I just know a thing or two about engineering so I can see where things are possible and where they are highly unlikely. |
I've said as much too.....
Yet, for Ultra.... who seems to think I'm a stupid imbicile.....
Let's do the Pentagon thingy....
At the top of this thread, the post was about how police officers contradicted the official scenario of how the atack took place.
Now, I've talked to pilots who've reported 'bird strikes'. More often than not, they have reported "handling difficulties' with their aircraft post strike.
Birds' weight is concidered in grammes, lamp posts' in kilo's surely!
Factor in thingies like...... "The terrorist pilot's", below average ability to fly a single engined light plane. How an expirienced "multi engine" experienced pilot would have difficulty in flying some ( even impossible) of the manuveres allegedly performed.
Considering things like:
http://www.se-technology.com/wig/html/main.php?open=aero
How he could fly his plane to the target; through "a flock of lampposts"?
There would also have been a series of alarms in the cocpit to distract even an expert (on type) pilot.
Now I know how the "Ship in a Bottle" trick is done...... I do not know how the "737 into the Pentagon" is done through a 10 meter hole?
EXPLAIN, please Ulra? |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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If you want to see the full case for the inside job look here: http://www.honornetwork.com/new_911_investigation.html
Within 3 years all will see the truth, for December 2012 is the date they have set for the big show. If you are still alive then you can eat crow, as they will stave you or make you sick. Probably you will forget all about this time when you could have made a difference, as you will rationalize the insanity that is coming too.
If I'm wrong I will have to humble myself at that time, but I'll still be alive as I have acted on my opinions, for I'm not in this for the chitchat or the grandstanding.
By the way I'm not religious and I have never made a prediction like this before, nor believed in such things. It is not mysticism that has me seeing this coming , but all the news and information is lining up now in a nice little row. That information is for those not domesticated and passive and think themselves bright.
Good luck and hope you live, except for the disinformation actors here who dismiss such info with cries of "you are not part of the majority group who follow fashion like it means something."
Again good luck. For if all these videos linked above don't wake you up nothing will, baring it being to late to do anything or your likely selfish reflex once you do see what is going on so very late in the game.
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| The videos on your link don't work. |
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Ultra
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Shagpile wrote: | | The videos on your link don't work. |
It's a conspiracy. |
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Ultra wrote: | | Shagpile wrote: | | The videos on your link don't work. |
It's a conspiracy. |
Don't let your hatred of me fix your perspecties........ you also understand what I post, so why the problem with spelling?
Grow up..... Lassie. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:48 am Post subject: |
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Well if you are being blocked go to Utube and watch it directly???
As for the "lassie" comment from Shagpile the Lowlander, if you and I ever met I would dust the floor with you sunshine. So "poke ma hom."
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:54 am Post subject: |
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it was muslim extremists that wot dun it on 9-11.
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