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Zed
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 Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:11 am Post subject: The One Show and independence |
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I watched a piece on Scottish independence on the BBC's The ONE Show.
I was expecting the usual unionist slant on it but it was surprisingly well balanced.
The reporter was Kay Adams and they had studio guest Monty Don who is in favour of Scottish independence ! So well done to him.
Shows like this have a large following south of the border so it must have raised a few eyebrows. Some good comments were made also.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00n5nvg/The_One_Show_06_10_2009/
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Corby Boy
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Thanks for the link. Surprisingly balanced indeed.
Thought the lady in the pub was interesting. Didn't think Scotland could afford to go it alone, but likes the idea! These are the folk that need to be convinced and won round.
This unionism is more about fear of the unknown than wanting to be part of Britain. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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'twould be nice if the iPlayer worked here. 
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Corby Boy wrote: |
This unionism is more about fear of the unknown than wanting to be part of Britain. |
utter speculation.
FACT - i'm not afraid of independence, scotland would be fine as independent but i've yet to hear a good argument for splitting a succesful and profitable union. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| and for christs sake don't mention the stuff thats running out. |
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Shagpile
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| Holebender wrote: | | 'twould be nice if the iPlayer worked here. |
Know that feling too. |
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| landg wrote: | | FACT - i'm not afraid of independence, scotland would be fine as independent but i've yet to hear a good argument for splitting a succesful and profitable union. |
Once you define what a successful and profitable union is, maybe someone will reiterate the many good arguments for going it alone.
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Holebender
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I'll give you a good argument; Scotland's economy consistently underperforms the overall UK economy. That means the UK is not best suited for optimising Scotland's economy. We can do better by ourselves (unless you believe we are innately worse at business than the rest of the UK). Meanwhile, the remainder of the UK will be shot of an underperforming region. Win-win.
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landg
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Reluctant Hero wrote: | | landg wrote: | | FACT - i'm not afraid of independence, scotland would be fine as independent but i've yet to hear a good argument for splitting a succesful and profitable union. |
Once you define what a successful and profitable union is, maybe someone will reiterate the many good arguments for going it alone. |
i'm happy with the union, i have done well being brought up and educated in it, as were my parents and siblings. many millions are in a similar position, in fact i'd say the vast majority live happy, successful, meaningful lives. |
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landg
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | | I'll give you a good argument; Scotland's economy consistently underperforms the overall UK economy. That means the UK is not best suited for optimising Scotland's economy. We can do better by ourselves (unless you believe we are innately worse at business than the rest of the UK). Meanwhile, the remainder of the UK will be shot of an underperforming region. Win-win. |
well, our banks spring to mind. if independant in the next few years how much would holyrood owe westminster to compensate for english, welsh and n. irish taxpayers who bailed our banks out?
or would hollyrood just cut and run and say, sorry, nothing to do woth us? |
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| landg wrote: | | i'm happy with the union, i have done well being brought up and educated in it, as were my parents and siblings. many millions are in a similar position, in fact i'd say the vast majority live happy, successful, meaningful lives. |
You say this because you're a Brit Nat.
Desire for independence is not just about being well educated and living a meaningful life, it's about identity.
I don't identify with your Brit Nat perspective and neither do 38% of the Scottish electorate.
A few years ago, you wouldn't have passed your time talking on this forum to dreamers who favour independence... how things have altered.
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| landg wrote: | | Holebender wrote: | | I'll give you a good argument; Scotland's economy consistently underperforms the overall UK economy. That means the UK is not best suited for optimising Scotland's economy. We can do better by ourselves (unless you believe we are innately worse at business than the rest of the UK). Meanwhile, the remainder of the UK will be shot of an underperforming region. Win-win. |
well, our banks spring to mind. if independant in the next few years how much would holyrood owe westminster to compensate for english, welsh and n. irish taxpayers who bailed our banks out?
or would hollyrood just cut and run and say, sorry, nothing to do woth us? |
The UK government took shares in those banks. If they want to offload them at a loss I'm sure independent Scotland could help them out. Maybe trade our share of Trident for them, something like that. The UK government keeps telling us they'll turn a profit from those shares; are you saying that's untrue?
I'm a little confused by your reply. Is this you saying Scots are innately crap at business?
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| Was great to see Aulays Bar on tv, Oban's best bar. I know the guy who was interviewed first who was against Independence. Slevering old bugger, nice guy though. Wait till I get hold of him.... |
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[quote="Bravehand"] | landg wrote: |
Desire for independence is not just about being well educated and living a meaningful life, it's about identity.
I don't identify with your Brit Nat perspective and neither do 38% of the Scottish electorate.
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identity=FREEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM. thankfully i'm comfortable in my own skin.anyway.
that means that 62% (give or take a 1 or 2% who vote for the loony-left and right parties) of the scottish electorate do indetify with being 'brit nat'. if there was poll saying 62% wanted independece you'd be doing freeeedom-victory cartwheels. |
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It was a good, well-balanced piece, but what is it about BBC programmes about independence? Do they all have to start with someone giving out free shortbread on the high street (see Brian Taylor's effort a few months ago)
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | | landg wrote: | | Holebender wrote: | | I'll give you a good argument; Scotland's economy consistently underperforms the overall UK economy. That means the UK is not best suited for optimising Scotland's economy. We can do better by ourselves (unless you believe we are innately worse at business than the rest of the UK). Meanwhile, the remainder of the UK will be shot of an underperforming region. Win-win. |
well, our banks spring to mind. if independant in the next few years how much would holyrood owe westminster to compensate for english, welsh and n. irish taxpayers who bailed our banks out?
or would hollyrood just cut and run and say, sorry, nothing to do woth us? |
The UK government took shares in those banks. If they want to offload them at a loss I'm sure independent Scotland could help them out. Maybe trade our share of Trident for them, something like that. The UK government keeps telling us they'll turn a profit from those shares; are you saying that's untrue?
I'm a little confused by your reply. Is this you saying Scots are innately crap at business? |
The too stupid argument again...
The Government has major shareholdings in several of the Scottish banks and guarantees debts on behalf of the banks. So if Scotland became independent they would have to come up with some way of creating a Bank of Scotland just like the Bank of England to handle currency and interest rate decisions.
Say the SNP get their referendum on independence and the Scottish people vote no, they are just going to keep putting forward referendum bills until they get a yes vote. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:46 am Post subject: Re: The One Show and independence |
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| Zed wrote: |
Shows like this have a large following south of the border so it must have raised a few eyebrows... |
I hope that doesn't mean that you think the average person sooth o' the border wants to cling on to Scotland? Given the vote themselves they'd tick the 'bye-bye and best of luck to you' box I think. |
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| Ultra wrote: | | The too stupid argument again... |
You seem to be incapable of distinguishing between someone making an argument and someone rebutting an argument. I am not arguing that Scots are too stupid, I am asking if someone else is saying it because that is how his post reads to me.
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Zed
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: The One Show and independence |
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| Fidget wrote: | | Zed wrote: |
Shows like this have a large following south of the border so it must have raised a few eyebrows... |
I hope that doesn't mean that you think the average person sooth o' the border wants to cling on to Scotland? Given the vote themselves they'd tick the 'bye-bye and best of luck to you' box I think. |
No, what I mean is that I find it astonishing that the media outlets in England are not discussing the possible break up of the UK.
Whether you agree or disagree with an independent Scotland, the UK must accept and realise this is a distinct possibility.
There have been many discussions on this issue north of the border especially since the SNP came to power.
But in England and the rest of the UK, it's left to programmes like the One Show !
I remember there was a Newsnight discussion on independence, but quite amazingly it was not shown in all parts of the UK.
Is it arrogance or not facing up to reality ?
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: The One Show and independence |
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| Zed wrote: |
No, what I mean is that I find it astonishing that the media outlets in England are not discussing the possible break up of the UK.
Whether you agree or disagree with an independent Scotland, the UK must accept and realise this is a distinct possibility.
There have been many discussions on this issue north of the border especially since the SNP came to power.
But in England and the rest of the UK, it's left to programmes like the One Show !
I remember there was a Newsnight discussion on independence, but quite amazingly it was not shown in all parts of the UK.
Is it arrogance or not facing up to reality ? |
The SNP love a good wind-up with their breaking up the UK tosh. If Scotland becomes independent then it will do so as a secession and the rump UK will continue without it just as when the R.O.I seceded. That'll be why nobody is talking about it south of the border. So, if anything, it's more arrogant for north of the border to think that scotland holds the sway on whether the UK breaks up or not. What a laugh! 
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