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Holebender · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject:

By whose reckoning was it an economic backwater? It had strong trading links with much of Europe, something which was lost when forced into union with England.

Don't let the failure of one private enterprise (Darien) fool you into believing Scotland was some sort of sleepy Brigadoon. Just take a look at the continental-inspired architecture all around you and stop believing those historians with an agenda to convince you of the glories of Empire. (I doubt if you read anything more modern.)

Who said anything about the government in power? I'm talking about the national psyche and morale. If you want an idea of what I'm trying to get into your closed off mind, look at Iceland; written off as a basket case a year ago, has taken a few strategic decisions, and is now picking itself up again. What would have happened if it had been some sort of outpost of Denmark? It would have stagnated on the dole and had to wait for Copenhagen to fund some new initiative. Small countries looking after their own affairs are enterprising and self-reliant. Small countries tied to big countries are basket cases. I'd prefer Scotland to stand on its own feet and make its way in the world.
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Aventinian · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:30 pm Post subject:

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Corby Boy · Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:23 pm Post subject:

Out of those who have a unionist persuasion on this website, William, you come across the most balanced.

I find extreme nationalism whether British or Scottish quite nauseating.

I like the notion of all the consitituent parts of the current UK becoming independent politically if they so wish, but a continuation of a 'social' type of union will perservere. As this is reality, particularly between Scotland and England due to the number of families living in both countries and social links. To some extent with NI and Wales too.

It is the rigidity of the pro-union/pro-independence argument of some posts that strikes me. Unionist and nationalists alike are somehow 'two headed' monsters to each other.

Should I divorce my missus because she support the continuance of the political UK, whilst I like the concept of Scotland being independent?

Don't think so.

Aventinian · Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:58 pm Post subject:

Alasdair · Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:20 pm Post subject:

Corby Boy · Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject:

Alasdair,

She's a woman, she always right of course! So, by default the union must be a good thing!! (-:

Stevie · Independentist Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Posts: 1179

Some things are nothing to do with political and idealogical aspirations.

If the Queen looked like Claudia Schiffer or Cindy Crawford I'd marry her and wouldn't require her to hold my views.

Actually, I wouldn't require anyone to think the way I think and vice versa.
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Cymro · Getting on a bit! Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 1645

William_Cleland · Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject:

Pointless to get into a tit-for-tat argument on this so I will state the blindingly obvious once and leave it at that. There are three separate legal jurisdictions in the UK of GB and NI based on Scots, English and Northern Ireland Law because some of the key national institutions associated with the three Kingdoms that were involved in the Unions of 1707 and 1801 remained entrenched and a conventional unitary nation state was never created. Should the process of Union go into reverse the Scots and English Law legislation that created the United Kingdom of Great Britain of1707 will be repealed. That 300 year old legislation has never been amended to give Wales a status separate from England so it is factually accurate to state that Wales is technically still part of the Kingdom of England where that legislation is concerned and the fact that England and Wales is the name normally used for that legal jurisdiction in contemporary English Law legislation doesn't make a blind bit of difference to that.
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Cymro · Getting on a bit! Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 1645

No what's pointless is you ignoring a UK Government site which states Wales and England are no longer 1 country. The legal system is not what solely defines a country. Acts now refer to England AND Wales, the law covers both countries. You are wrong - end of, the direct.gov site is no different to the Number 10 site you previously quoted.

jamesieboy · Helping with the Count Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 327

Landg - may I ask where you live ???

I have worked in many schools all over west/central Scotland and
this feeling of well-being/comfort/affluence is certainly not something
I have seen much of.

Yes sure, Bearsden and Milngavie, Corstorphine and Morningside, Newton Mearns and Giffnock are areas which could be described as well-heeled and comfortable (or at the majority of people are).

Nevertheless, there are a lot more places where many people, if not exactly living in extreme poverty, are beginning to struggle.

Have you seen the latest youth unemployment figures?

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William_Cleland · Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:50 pm Post subject:

None of that actually addresses the sentence I wrote. If the Acts of Union of 1707 are ever repealed the Interpretation Act 1978 won't make a blind bit of difference to the fact that Wales is part of the legal jurisdiction referred to in that legislation as the "Kingdom of England". There would be a two way split rather than a three way split of Great Britain. I have never disputed that the modern name for one of the three separate legal jurisdictions of the UK is England and Wales. That does not change the fact that Wales does not have the same constitutional status as Scotland and Northern Ireland because English Law applies to Wales but not to Scotland and Northern Ireland, which have separate legal systems from that of England. No more follow ups unless you come up with something that actually addresses this point.

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