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Stevie
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Just a thought.
What kind of scummy lowlife fish sniffing dung-smelling weedy little excuse for a man or woman actually does the job of catch the wicked benefit thief anyway.
If anyone reading this happens to be one of those DWP 'investigators' or 'agents' or whatever euphemism for slimy little creep they use... then shame on you.
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Shagpile
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| Ultra wrote: | Pretty clear to me that Landg is talking about fraud costing £2bn to the tax payer due to fraudulent claimants and that money could be used to help genuine claimants more.
It's not difficult to understand when you don't apply blinkered selective reading to some peoples posts.
So what point are you trying to make Shag? We have too many claimants or we have no fraudulent claimants?
I'm failing to see how your post actually contributes to any debate we are having here. |
Ultra, you have a spectacular ability in missing the point. Thankfully, Rinty has penned; in his usual eloquence, the point I would have gotten round to make....... yet he's made it better than I would have.
Stevie is spot on with his assesment of landg's polotics on this point, and yours too when it comes down to it. |
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Alasdair
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Stevie wrote: | Just a thought.
What kind of scummy lowlife fish sniffing dung-smelling weedy little excuse for a man or woman actually does the job of catch the wicked benefit thief anyway.
If anyone reading this happens to be one of those DWP 'investigators' or 'agents' or whatever euphemism for slimy little creep they use... then shame on you. |
Just for the record.
In my metaphorical (as opposed to metaphysical) previous life as an HR/Personnel Manager I would happily report people who I had cause to believe were scamming the system.
Why should people be allowed to abuse the system to their own benefit and to the cost of the rest of us?
I also worked with the folks from immigration to:
a) report non-UK nationals working with or attempting to work with false documents;
b) take action against a temp agency that was knowingly using non-UK nationals who did not have the right to work. The agency was also taking advantage of asylum seekers who did have the right to work, but did not know their employment rights.
I have no guilt about any of this, nor do I believe I should.
People who scam the system take vital pounds out of the public purse and it is something that should be discouraged in whatever fashion best fits. The same goes for MP's and the current scandal they are caught up in, they are no better than the benefits cheats.
So, that'll be my cards on the table then.
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Holebender
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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You have nothing to feel guilty about Al.
I do have qualms about some people who will report a neighbour just because they don't like the person and the accusation is completely groundless. Those people really are scum who are wasting everyone's time and ruining reputations while they're at it.
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Stevie
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Alasdair, nothing to do with the beastly people I revile.
As I said, Thatcher's minions and 'The Boys from the Blackstuff'.
Quite another kettle of fish.
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Ultra
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Shagpile wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | Pretty clear to me that Landg is talking about fraud costing £2bn to the tax payer due to fraudulent claimants and that money could be used to help genuine claimants more.
It's not difficult to understand when you don't apply blinkered selective reading to some peoples posts.
So what point are you trying to make Shag? We have too many claimants or we have no fraudulent claimants?
I'm failing to see how your post actually contributes to any debate we are having here. |
Ultra, you have a spectacular ability in missing the point. Thankfully, Rinty has penned; in his usual eloquence, the point I would have gotten round to make....... yet he's made it better than I would have.
Stevie is spot on with his assesment of landg's polotics on this point, and yours too when it comes down to it. |
Is that the point you couldn't make at the time by yourself and had to wait until others users suggested it before you jumped on the band wagon? 
I already knew what figures Rinty was talking about as my link contains a link to those figures on the DWP website. So you are spectacularly wrong. Oh dear.
You have no idea on my politics when it comes to the subject of benefit cheats as they are pretty much in line with what Alasdair has commented.
So are you one of these people who believes that it's ok to cheat the benefit system because you can? Maybe you do cheat the benefits system yourself to get by.
Some people have commented on their circumstances on here. I would rather extra cash went to those people than someone scamming the system.
If you didn't have people who scammed the benefits systems, you would not need fraud investigators or people employed to continually access benefit claims costing more money on salaries and investigations. |
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landg
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| Stevie wrote: | Just a thought.
What kind of scummy lowlife fish sniffing dung-smelling weedy little excuse for a man or woman actually does the job of catch the wicked benefit thief anyway.
If anyone reading this happens to be one of those DWP 'investigators' or 'agents' or whatever euphemism for slimy little creep they use... then shame on you. |
quite hilarious.
and you have the cheek to call me an uber tory, you sir are right wing facist spouting filth like that about people working to save the govt. money. what a horrible man.
as for the 2,000,000,000 quid figure it came from the dwp website, the figures were from 2006. people have not become more honest since then.
did anyone else see the left wing irony in saying the figures are wrong without actually quoting any themselves.
uber-torin and lowlife dung sniffing fruad investigators.
some of you folks are just a left wing parody of yourselves.
mone the fraudsters and down with the horrible fraud investigators. |
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Holebender
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"some of you folks"? I haven't seen anyone endorse the view you find so abhorrent so I find it hard to understand how one person expressing an opinion can translate into some people.
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Stevie
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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quite hilarious.
and you have the cheek to call me an uber tory, you sir are right wing facist spouting filth like that about people working to save the govt. money. what a horrible man. |
You actually managed to make me laugh.
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Ultra wrote: | | Is that the point you couldn't make at the time by yourself and had to wait until others users suggested it before you jumped on the band wagon? |
Actually no. I was waiting for a response from "Landg" first. "Rinty", beat me to it though when he said:
| Rinty wrote: | | There is no evidence that I can see to suggest that any savings from benefit fraud would lead to increased payments for existing claimants, that is a red herring. Calculations on how much claimants get is usually based on the minimum that they can get away with. It would be more likely to be spent in reducing business taxes |
In my very first post on this thread I said:
| Shagpile wrote: | | You're right btw, and what a waste of tax payers' money if they were to follow through on that. |
| Quote: | | I already knew what figures Rinty was talking about as my link contains a link to those figures on the DWP website. So you are spectacularly wrong. Oh dear. |
When I said what exactly?
| Quote: | | You have no idea on my politics when it comes to the subject of benefit cheats as they are pretty much in line with what Alasdair has commented. |
And what are mine? Whenever there's a scheme you'll find 'schemers', probably the second oldest proffession known to man. The Torys are pandering to the gallery on this, probably to take the feeble minded's eye off their own backs, on the back of allowances slease...... and they aint even in power yet!
As I've said, and say again expensively pointless.
Do I approve of fraudsters? NO. I have a lot of sympathy for those on benefits trying to augment their megre existence though, but it doesn't make it right.
There are more serious and lucrative frauds and fraudsters out there though in greater need of investigation. Prescription fraud by Pharmacists for example. And what has Westminster done about it? They've put the lunatics in charge of the Asylum! £70 reward for finding someone may truely actually ticked the wrong box. The welsh Assembly paved the way in addressing (patient) prescription fraud by making prescriptions free..... Pharmasists will still be coining it in though I'll bet...... generic drugs supplied for the price of 'Branded' ones.
These fraudsters have no excuse...... just plain greed.
| Quote: | | So are you one of these people who believes that it's ok to cheat the benefit system because you can? |
You read my above and tell me.
| Quote: | | Maybe you do cheat the benefits system yourself to get by. |
Lassie..... I probably pay more in tax than you earn.
| Quote: | | Some people have commented on their circumstances on here. I would rather extra cash went to those people than someone scamming the system. |
It wont happen, Rinty and I are in full agreement on this.... even if there were absolutely ZERO benefit fraud, benefits would not be increased. They'd still spend a fortune investigating the poorest of our society though.
You're a hopless romantic..... typical unionist.
| Quote: | | If you didn't have people who scammed the benefits systems, you would not need fraud investigators or people employed to continually access benefit claims costing more money on salaries and investigations. |
What....... no audit? that's Labour right enough, and your polotics. |
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Shagpile
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Ultra
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Sorry I didn't want a history lesson. Why bother posting links which are over 10 years out of date?
I suppose 1998 is more up to date than talking about the 17th and 18th century which is the usual for nationalists.
Here's some more information for you -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7925167.stm
Only from March 09 too. |
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Stevie
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Ultra wrote: | I suppose 1998 is more up to date than talking about the 17th and 18th century which is the usual for nationalists.
Here's some more information for you -
Only from March 09 too. |
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Ultra's choice...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7925167.stm
NHS charges to rise in England
NHS prescription charges in England are to go up from £7.10 to £7.20 from April, ministers have announced.
The cost of a dental check-up on the NHS in England will also increase by 30p to £16.50.
"But we are making the system fairer. Cancer patients will be eligible for free prescriptions from 1 April and we're looking at how we can do the same for people with long-term conditions." |
What a fine advert for unionism you put forth.
Is it that you're trying to show us it's actually the government who are the scamming fraudsters?
Anyway, the Brits are going to phase out prescription charges for cancer patients from April 1.
woopeedoo... I find it hard to believe that cancer patients actually pay prescription charges. Still, one has to finance moat cleaning projects and £170 Billion of debt somehow.
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Ultra
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Stevie wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | I suppose 1998 is more up to date than talking about the 17th and 18th century which is the usual for nationalists.
Here's some more information for you -
Only from March 09 too. |
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Ultra's choice...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7925167.stm
NHS charges to rise in England
NHS prescription charges in England are to go up from £7.10 to £7.20 from April, ministers have announced.
The cost of a dental check-up on the NHS in England will also increase by 30p to £16.50.
"But we are making the system fairer. Cancer patients will be eligible for free prescriptions from 1 April and we're looking at how we can do the same for people with long-term conditions." |
What a fine advert for unionism you put forth.
Is it that you're trying to show us it's actually the government who are the scamming fraudsters?
Anyway, the Brits are going to phase out prescription charges for cancer patients from April 1.
woopeedoo... I find it hard to believe that cancer patients actually pay prescription charges. Still, one has to finance moat cleaning projects and £170 Billion of debt somehow. |
Even more disgruntled English to complain about subsidizing Scotland. I would have thought you would have been pleased about that? |
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry I didn't want a history lesson. Why bother posting links which are over 10 years out of date?
I suppose 1998 is more up to date than talking about the 17th and 18th century which is the usual for nationalists.
Here's some more information for you -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7925167.stm
Only from March 09 too. |
Don't judge a book by it's cover. Is the info', my assertion "out of date"?
You have a link?
I notice you have not responded to a single point in my reply to yours.
Labour don't like it when you stick it "right up 'em". True to form...... obviously. |
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Ultra
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Shagpile wrote: | | Ultra wrote: |
Sorry I didn't want a history lesson. Why bother posting links which are over 10 years out of date?
I suppose 1998 is more up to date than talking about the 17th and 18th century which is the usual for nationalists.
Here's some more information for you -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7925167.stm
Only from March 09 too. |
Don't judge a book by it's cover. Is the info', my assertion "out of date"?
You have a link?
I notice you have not responded to a single point in my reply to yours.
Labour don't like it when you stick it "right up 'em". True to form...... obviously. |
What point would that be?
The one were you go round in circles for a few more posts and then post some links from over 10 years ago to deflect attention away on to another topic?
Or would you like to tell us why you think links from 10 years ago would have any relevence to this topic?
Where does it say I vote Labour also? Evidence please?
Could it be that immature un-intelligent wee boys like you aren't really worth debating topics with.
Esp. when you run out of ideas and out pops the good old 'he's a Labour supporter' fall back. Deary me.  |
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Ultra wrote: | | Even more disgruntled English to complain about subsidizing Scotland. I would have thought you would have been pleased about that? |
The question is........ do you believe it to be true?
Personally I believe you do. I was right about your gender, right about your location and also right about your polotics.
None of the above I have problems with, but honesty in debate; or even in discussion, helps if we are serious about what we discuss. |
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Ultra
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Shagpile wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | | Even more disgruntled English to complain about subsidizing Scotland. I would have thought you would have been pleased about that? |
The question is........ do you believe it to be true?
Personally I believe you do. I was right about your gender, right about your location and also right about your polotics.
None of the above I have problems with, but honesty in debate; or even in discussion, helps if we are serious about what we discuss. |
I think you will find you are wrong on all counts. Why don't you prove my gender, location, and politics? Evidence please?
Hence, the reason why it is a pointless discussion and a deflection away from the main topic.
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Ultra wrote: | | Shagpile wrote: | | Ultra wrote: |
Sorry I didn't want a history lesson. Why bother posting links which are over 10 years out of date?
I suppose 1998 is more up to date than talking about the 17th and 18th century which is the usual for nationalists.
Here's some more information for you -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7925167.stm
Only from March 09 too. |
Don't judge a book by it's cover. Is the info', my assertion "out of date"?
You have a link?
I notice you have not responded to a single point in my reply to yours.
Labour don't like it when you stick it "right up 'em". True to form...... obviously. |
What point would that be?
The one were you go round in circles for a few more posts and then post some links from over 10 years ago to deflect attention away on to another topic?
Or would you like to tell us why you think links from 10 years ago would have any relevence to this topic?
Where does it say I vote Labour also? Evidence please?
Could it be that immature un-intelligent wee boys like you aren't really worth debating topics with.
Esp. when you run out of ideas and out pops the good old 'he's a Labour supporter' fall back. Deary me. |
More avoidance...... not just to me, but to the many intelligent and objective posters on this forum.
Do you think we're all stupid? |
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Ultra
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Shagpile wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | | Shagpile wrote: | | Ultra wrote: |
Sorry I didn't want a history lesson. Why bother posting links which are over 10 years out of date?
I suppose 1998 is more up to date than talking about the 17th and 18th century which is the usual for nationalists.
Here's some more information for you -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7925167.stm
Only from March 09 too. |
Don't judge a book by it's cover. Is the info', my assertion "out of date"?
You have a link?
I notice you have not responded to a single point in my reply to yours.
Labour don't like it when you stick it "right up 'em". True to form...... obviously. |
What point would that be?
The one were you go round in circles for a few more posts and then post some links from over 10 years ago to deflect attention away on to another topic?
Or would you like to tell us why you think links from 10 years ago would have any relevence to this topic?
Where does it say I vote Labour also? Evidence please?
Could it be that immature un-intelligent wee boys like you aren't really worth debating topics with.
Esp. when you run out of ideas and out pops the good old 'he's a Labour supporter' fall back. Deary me. |
More avoidance...... not just to me, but to the many intelligent and objective posters on this forum.
Do you think we're all stupid? |
So you don't have any evidence? Let's go round again!
Are you? Oh are we back on to the 'too stupid' argument now? 
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