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Ultra
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If the old firm do eventually move to either the EPL or new Atlantic league, they may well take alot of fans from these so called smaller clubs with them.
Football is an entertainment business. If you aren't being entertained and the old firm are local and playing better opposition, you may well be attracted along to the higher quality games with better atmosphere than some of the rubbish the lower league or lower table clubs in the SPL have to offer.
As the population spread across Scotland from the West of Scotland and Ireland, these supporters did not support their local team. They stuck with the old firm through family or religious connections.
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Shagpile
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| William_Cleland wrote: | | It would rapidly mean the end of Scottish football as a separate entity if it happens and a UK league structure and national team would soon emerge. People who support Scottish independence should see the failure to comfortably accommodate Scotland's top two clubs in a Scottish national structure as a major problem. As recently as the mid-80s things were very different in that regard because provincial clubs like Dundee United and Aberdeen could take on the giants of the European game and win. |
Could not agree more.
This is what Sep Blatter wants to see..... an own goal of greater significance we could not score if we tried! Fuel to the grievence of the FIFA governing committee. Why indeed should the Scots, Welsh, NI and ENGLISH FAs continue to exist when clubs can choose their domicile and governing body when it suits?
Much as I agree with the sentiments of RH...... THIS IS a huge fly in the ointment.
The Old Firm should hang their heads in shame! Yet another example of the damage they'd do in the blink of an eye to Scottish Football because it doesn't suit THEM!
Bloody Hell, being guarenteed European compitition year in year out, their monopoly on ALL domestic trophies (more or less) is not enough! Times are indeed hard...... perhaps they should follow the advice their fans freely give to other clubs. ie MERGE!
They screwed the SFL, almost found themselves in an SPL of 2 teams and it's still not enough for them!
It's really about time the SFA exercised their independent muscle and bluntly tell them to wind their F'in' Necks in. The other SPL Clubs should resign from the SPL again until the Old Firm give up FOREVER any notion of leaving Scottish Football.
Of course...... as Companies they're free at any time to relocate in any part of the world and affiliate themselves with the FA under who's jurisdiction they fall under...... They wont do that though, THEY want their cake AND eat it. A PAIR O' SPOILT BRATS, nothing more. Arrogant to the extrime due to the successes bigotry has brought them.
To any rule there can be a just and fair exception. Monaco competeing in the French league for example. The Old Firm believe, however that THEY are the exception to every rule. |
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Now, is the time IMHO, to rid ourselves of this wierd anomally. Berwick Rangers should be invited to either relocate or resign from the SFL.
The SFL has passed it's sell by date too. Clubs; left behind by demography, are blocking ambitious, welthier and better attended Junior Clubs from getting into the Top Flight.
In the interests of Scottish Football, the SFL should be reformed NOW, and the SPL scrapped. |
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| William_Cleland wrote: | | many people are delusional enough to believe that UEFA would allow that. |
AGREED...... AGAIN!
EUEFA woud have to be the ruling FA for a drivell like an "Atlantic League", but that's NOT in their remit.
NO FA, subordinate to EUEFA, has the authority to govern such a league. That would be up to FIFA to recognise a new FA........ and they aint gonna damage any grass roots FA, by allowing a "Prima Donna" multi/international medly of also rans to compete/rival the best teams each FA sends to European Competition. |
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Stevie
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I would be very pleased if the old firms would just once and for all f**k off.
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Stevie wrote: | | I would be very pleased if the old firms would just once and for all f**k off. |
Moi aussi, mais Le BBC pandeurs toute a les biggoted b'stards. |
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landg
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| Stevie wrote: | | I would be very pleased if the old firms would just once and for all f**k off. |
i really wish we could and leave scottish footbal to become even more of an irish backwater.
still no word on celtic's tragedy that is like man utd's? |
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Reluctant Hero
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| Ultra wrote: | | Football is an entertainment business. If you aren't being entertained and the old firm are local and playing better opposition, you may well be attracted along to the higher quality games with better atmosphere than some of the rubbish the lower league or lower table clubs in the SPL have to offer. |
I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read that.
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Ultra
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| Reluctant Hero wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | | Football is an entertainment business. If you aren't being entertained and the old firm are local and playing better opposition, you may well be attracted along to the higher quality games with better atmosphere than some of the rubbish the lower league or lower table clubs in the SPL have to offer. |
I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read that. |
Or put up a decent comment it would seem..... |
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landg
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| Reluctant Hero wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | | Football is an entertainment business. If you aren't being entertained and the old firm are local and playing better opposition, you may well be attracted along to the higher quality games with better atmosphere than some of the rubbish the lower league or lower table clubs in the SPL have to offer. |
I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read that. |
when we leave, and we will, i know who will be laughing and who will be crying.
your welcome to your arbroaths and kilmarnocks and motherwells. when we go you will have found your level. |
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Ultra wrote: | | Reluctant Hero wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | | Football is an entertainment business. If you aren't being entertained and the old firm are local and playing better opposition, you may well be attracted along to the higher quality games with better atmosphere than some of the rubbish the lower league or lower table clubs in the SPL have to offer. |
I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read that. |
Or put up a decent comment it would seem..... |
He did.... your intelect is the problem.
Oh I know..... you'll want links to that too (without providing links to support your own case).......... normal plebicite, is it not?
Personally, I valued your post at 'not worth comment', but hay, that's Shagpile for ya! |
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Ultra
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Shagpile wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | | Reluctant Hero wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | | Football is an entertainment business. If you aren't being entertained and the old firm are local and playing better opposition, you may well be attracted along to the higher quality games with better atmosphere than some of the rubbish the lower league or lower table clubs in the SPL have to offer. |
I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read that. |
Or put up a decent comment it would seem..... |
He did.... your intelect is the problem.
Oh I know..... you'll want links to that too (without providing links to support your own case).......... normal plebicite, is it not?
Personally, I valued your post at 'not worth comment', but hay, that's Shagpile for ya! |
More evidence of being un-intelligent from Shagpile. Can't even spell intellect. 
Even comments on things he admits are 'Not worth comment'
Hanging on to my every word as he loves the attention. |
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Ultra wrote: | | More evidence of being un-intelligent from Shagpile. Can't even spell intellect. |
Do you understand when I say FART?
| Quote: | | Even comments on things he admits are 'Not worth comment' |
Because my response is worthy of mention.
| Quote: | | Hanging on to my every word as he loves the attention. |
MmWaHaHaaaaaaaa.................. GTF F'wit! |
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jamesieboy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:01 am Post subject: |
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The reason why so many people in Scotland, especially followers of other teams, do not like the Old Firm has got absolutely nothing to do with jealousy and second rate status, Mr Cleland.
It is because at one all you get rammed down your throat is F**k the Pope, Derry's Walls, Rule Brittania, GSTQ and all that pish, not forgetting Irish rebel songs and praise for IRA murderers and ludicrous claims about being the victims in Scottish society on the other side.
The whole thing is nauseating and I cannot for the life of me understand why any intelligent thinking individual can go there. |
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William_Cleland
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Your post is fully in line with what I have written earlier in the thread:-
That suggests there is very deep tribalism in Scottish society related to immigration from the island of Ireland and that a genuine sense of shared nationhood has not fully coalesced in the aftermath of that.
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Stevie
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Stevie wrote: | | I would be very pleased if the old firms would just once and for all f**k off. |
Since this thread is still on the go, I feel I have to quote myself.
The one thing I did admire about football was that it was originally local lads from the local community supported by local folk. Now the big bucks have run amock... a pox on both their houses.
I should have nicely alienated myself from everyone on the site now, a good day's work.
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Reluctant Hero
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Ultra wrote: | | Reluctant Hero wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | | Football is an entertainment business. If you aren't being entertained and the old firm are local and playing better opposition, you may well be attracted along to the higher quality games with better atmosphere than some of the rubbish the lower league or lower table clubs in the SPL have to offer. |
I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read that. |
Or put up a decent comment it would seem..... |
If everyone followed your example and went to watch the "higher quality games", then there would only be two teams left in the league as all other clubs will have gone out of business.
The Old Firm are treating the rest of Scottish Football with an incredible lack of respect. It's like being in one job, but openly telling your colleagues that you are much better than them, and openly looking for jobs elsewhere.
It wouldn't be very long before you were brought down a peg or two and I completely agree with Shagpile. The other SPL clubs should resign from the league and tell the Old Firm to GTF. Surely it can't be very long until the other clubs call their bluff?
It is true that Aberdeen and Dundee United used to successfully compete in Europe during the 80's. Why was that? Because we had a competitive Premier League. These days we can narrow it down to two teams that will win the league before the season kicks off. And the Old Firm must take some of the blame for that as well. For if any player shows an ounce of promise in another team, they are snapped up by the Old Firm and left to languish in the reserves, just so they can't play against them.
This "higher quality" Ultra talks about, I just don't see it. The Old Firm are marginally better than the rest of the SPL, but they are far from the teams they think they are. Just ask Hamburg and Unirea (I know - who?!). They will be asking to joing the English Premiership next.
But I'm not a glory hunter, I don't follow Rangers or Celtic, so maybe I'm missing this higher quality. I follow Ross County, because although I now live in Glasgow, it is the local team where I come from. When I go and see them play, and I do whenever I can (how many OF fans go to matches?), the actual physical act of going to support them sometimes means much more than what the final result is. Ofcourse, I would love to see them win, but it is also about standing with my fellow Highlanders. It's about supporting where you come from. It's about knowing what someone is talking about when they mention Donnie Melon It's about a way of life. So Ultra I'll gladly take this "lower league rubbish" over your superior Old Firm any day.
Anyway it looks as if the Premiership have just signed a new deal with Barclays, so it looks like your ambitions to leave Scotland have been thwarted for another 3 years.
It just means the rest of us will have to suffer listening to Old Firm crap even longer.
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Ultra
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Reluctant Hero wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | | Reluctant Hero wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | | Football is an entertainment business. If you aren't being entertained and the old firm are local and playing better opposition, you may well be attracted along to the higher quality games with better atmosphere than some of the rubbish the lower league or lower table clubs in the SPL have to offer. |
I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read that. |
Or put up a decent comment it would seem..... |
If everyone followed your example and went to watch the "higher quality games", then there would only be two teams left in the league as all other clubs will have gone out of business.
The Old Firm are treating the rest of Scottish Football with an incredible lack of respect. It's like being in one job, but openly telling your colleagues that you are much better than them, and openly looking for jobs elsewhere.
It wouldn't be very long before you were brought down a peg or two and I completely agree with Shagpile. The other SPL clubs should resign from the league and tell the Old Firm to GTF. Surely it can't be very long until the other clubs call their bluff?
It is true that Aberdeen and Dundee United used to successfully compete in Europe during the 80's. Why was that? Because we had a competitive Premier League. These days we can narrow it down to two teams that will win the league before the season kicks off. And the Old Firm must take some of the blame for that as well. For if any player shows an ounce of promise in another team, they are snapped up by the Old Firm and left to languish in the reserves, just so they can't play against them.
This "higher quality" Ultra talks about, I just don't see it. The Old Firm are marginally better than the rest of the SPL, but they are far from the teams they think they are. Just ask Hamburg and Unirea (I know - who?!). They will be asking to joing the English Premiership next.
But I'm not a glory hunter, I don't follow Rangers or Celtic, so maybe I'm missing this higher quality. I follow Ross County, because although I now live in Glasgow, it is the local team where I come from. When I go and see them play, and I do whenever I can (how many OF fans go to matches?), the actual physical act of going to support them sometimes means much more than what the final result is. Ofcourse, I would love to see them win, but it is also about standing with my fellow Highlanders. It's about supporting where you come from. It's about knowing what someone is talking about when they mention Donnie Melon It's about a way of life. So Ultra I'll gladly take this "lower league rubbish" over your superior Old Firm any day.
Anyway it looks as if the Premiership have just signed a new deal with Barclays, so it looks like your ambitions to leave Scotland have been thwarted for another 3 years.
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It's not my 'superior' old firm as I don't support any of them.
However, the smaller league teams for a fact voted to accept Setanta against the advice of the old firm and Aberdeen who knew it would be far better to stick with Sky. So these wee SPL clubs have nobody to blame but themselves for the position they find themselves in now financially.
The old firm can GTF. But if you actually do some research and read the PWC reports each year on the state of the game in Scotland and financial state of the game you would quickly realize most of the SPL clubs would not survive if the old firm left as fewer people would be watching the games or having an interest in football in general these days. Far more wider choice of entertainment available.
No old firm means far less TV revenue, sponsorship, gate receipts, merchandize sales etc etc. Most SPL teams would not survive as full time clubs and would find their level as would the remaining Scottish league clubs.
Most people who watch football for entertainment would rather watch the top teams in Europe play than a local team like Ross County. I bet there are more old firm fans in the North of Scotland and people who support top English teams like Man U rather than the wee teams.
What is the average gate of Ross County? Tells you all you need to know.
If the old firm do move into a far superior league let's see how many of these so called non glory hunting fans ditch their local clubs and support the old firm. Or have a wee Scottish team in the SFL along with supporting one of the big Scottish teams in another Atlantic type league. Aberdeen and Dundee Utd want to leave the SPL too. |
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Stevie
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when we leave, and we will, i know who will be laughing and who will be crying. |
He who laughs alone laughs in a hollow echoey chamber, forgotten and unheard.
Bye bye.
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| Stevie wrote: | | landg wrote: |
when we leave, and we will, i know who will be laughing and who will be crying. |
He who laughs alone laughs in a hollow echoey chamber, forgotten and unheard.
Bye bye. |
we won't be alone, we will have arsenal not falkirk to keep us company.
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