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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cryptic.



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been here for quite some time, been involved in plenty of disagreements, had a few rows even,  but I don't remember any of my posts being edited.
I think that it is fair comment to be able to say that a post is daft or nonsense or untrue or whatever, but posters themselves should never be abused or called names.
We ALL have opinions and the freedom to express them here, but name calling is a no no, and in my opinion indicates sheer bad manners and ignorance.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

azzuri wrote:
Ultra wrote:
azzuri wrote:
Ultra wrote:
azzuri wrote:
Ultra wrote:
Landg wrote:
This post is awaiting approval by a mod/admin before it will be shown to other users.


Doesn't look like freedom of speech when posts are moderated and edited to suit.  Rolling Eyes
Posts are never edited, either they are approved or not.



We've only got your word for that....  Laughing


True; well, sort of. You could ask many of the users on here how many of their posts have been edited as a guide.


How would any of the users know? Do they get to read moderated posts before they are published?

I am really struggling to see why Landg posts are moderated in the first place. You may not agree with him/her but seems like blatant censorship or discrimination on your part judging by the posts I have read. Not any worse than some of the comments I have seen by other users.


Whether I agree with him/her is completely irrelevant. If disagreeing with someone's views meant that their posts were moderated, then every user on the site would have this done!

There are various reasons why this user's posts are moderated, none of which I'm willing to disclose but suffice to say we only do this in EXTREME circumstances.

Checking every single post of 'landg' on this forum wouldn't even begin to give you a clue as to why his/her comments are moderated.

You'll need to take my word on that.



what a lot of rubbish. absolute twaddle. controlling twaddle.
in fact paranoid big brother twaddle.
it is not hard to find hard-core, extreme views and opinions on here from some members but it is not moderated.
utter hypocrisy and just an old pals act.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Examples please.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

landg wrote:
azzuri wrote:
Ultra wrote:
azzuri wrote:
Ultra wrote:
azzuri wrote:
Ultra wrote:
Landg wrote:
This post is awaiting approval by a mod/admin before it will be shown to other users.


Doesn't look like freedom of speech when posts are moderated and edited to suit.  Rolling Eyes
Posts are never edited, either they are approved or not.



We've only got your word for that....  Laughing


True; well, sort of. You could ask many of the users on here how many of their posts have been edited as a guide.


How would any of the users know? Do they get to read moderated posts before they are published?

I am really struggling to see why Landg posts are moderated in the first place. You may not agree with him/her but seems like blatant censorship or discrimination on your part judging by the posts I have read. Not any worse than some of the comments I have seen by other users.


Whether I agree with him/her is completely irrelevant. If disagreeing with someone's views meant that their posts were moderated, then every user on the site would have this done!

There are various reasons why this user's posts are moderated, none of which I'm willing to disclose but suffice to say we only do this in EXTREME circumstances.

Checking every single post of 'landg' on this forum wouldn't even begin to give you a clue as to why his/her comments are moderated.

You'll need to take my word on that.



what a lot of rubbish. absolute twaddle. controlling twaddle.
in fact paranoid big brother twaddle.
it is not hard to find hard-core, extreme views and opinions on here from some members but it is not moderated.
utter hypocrisy and just an old pals act.


Who said ANYTHING about moderating extreme views or opinions? Indeed, it is clearly stated in the forum rules that we EXPECT extreme views and opinions, such is the nature of the beast.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm writing to the pope to start the process of beautification for azzuri.

His patience is apparently boundless.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stevie wrote:
I'm writing to the pope to start the process of beautification for azzuri.

His patience is apparently boundless.


The pope's a nazi too.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And who is the other Nazi?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ultra wrote:
Stevie wrote:
I'm writing to the pope to start the process of beautification for azzuri.

His patience is apparently boundless.


The pope's a nazi too.


Thus is enacted Godwin's Law, and I claim my coconut!  Laughing
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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury." - Alexander Tytler

"There are four ways to spend money. A) You can spend your money on yourself, in which case you will strive for a mix of the best bargain and the best quality. B) You can spend your money on someone else, in which case you are still interested in a bargain, but the quality of the product or service becomes secondary. C) You can spend other people's money on yourself, in which case price is no object but quality becomes a great concern. D) Finally, you can spend other people's money on other people, in which case neither price nor quality is of great concern."

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

azzuri wrote:
Ultra wrote:
Stevie wrote:
I'm writing to the pope to start the process of beautification for azzuri.

His patience is apparently boundless.


The pope's a nazi too.


Thus is enacted Godwin's Law, and I claim my coconut!  Laughing


About a day too late. Nae luck.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stevie wrote:
I'm writing to the pope to start the process of beautification for azzuri.

His patience is apparently boundless.


and so is mine......................... Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

azzuri wrote:
Who said ANYTHING about moderating extreme views or opinions? Indeed, it is clearly stated in the forum rules that we EXPECT extreme views and opinions, such is the nature of the beast.


So you condone sexist comments and chat about sex acts abusing users on a public forum?

http://ourscotland.myfreeforum.org/ftopic6595-60.php

Shagpile wrote:
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So you tolerate extreme views and opinions as long as it's one of your mates making the comments and not someone new?

Tells you all you need to know about this forum and people on it if that is the case.  Rolling Eyes

Having read Landg posts it does not even come close to anything Shagpile has written.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't condone anything. Nor am I entering discussion about the moderation status of individual users.

As a 'real-time' forum, we can often only moderate posts when it is brought to our attention. If you have an issue with any particular post, I suggest you send a private message to either myself or 'Reluctant Hero'.

If you want a rundown on the complete forum rules, check here - http://ourscotland.myfreeforum.org/about2.html

Happy to help. Smile


Please continue on topic.
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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury." - Alexander Tytler

"There are four ways to spend money. A) You can spend your money on yourself, in which case you will strive for a mix of the best bargain and the best quality. B) You can spend your money on someone else, in which case you are still interested in a bargain, but the quality of the product or service becomes secondary. C) You can spend other people's money on yourself, in which case price is no object but quality becomes a great concern. D) Finally, you can spend other people's money on other people, in which case neither price nor quality is of great concern."

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Normally at least five years must pass before the process leading to “sainthood” is initiated. However, John Paul II, the current pontiff, has been accelerating Teresa’s passage.

In the Catholic system, becoming a “saint” is reserved for one whose holiness of life and heroic feats were exceptional. The prospective “saint” must be confirmed, however, and then recognized by the Church’s official processes of beatification and canonization.

Beatification involves an investigation into the supposed sanctity of a deceased Catholic. An enquiry probes the past of the candidate, looking at his or her deeds, writings, alleged miracles, etc. Usually, this phase lasts for several years. The pope makes the final decision as to the beatification confirmation. Once beatified, the candidate is acknowledged as “Blessed.”

Canonization is the subsequent procedure in which a public and official declaration of the virtue of the proposed “saint” is made. It must be established that two miracles have been effected at the behest of the candidate, subsequent to the beatification process. In Teresa’s case, a woman who prayed to the deceased “sister,” allegedly was cured of her cancer. Apparently this episode will constitute the nun’s first miracle.

This alleged “miracle” is discussed in a recent article in Time magazine (October 21, 2002). It involved a woman in India who was diagnosed with an abdominal tumor within a year after Teresa’s death. She was, in fact, undergoing medical treatment, and making improvement, according to her doctors. They even insist that she did not have a “full-grown tumor.” Nonetheless, supposedly, she applied a sacred medallion to her “tummy,” and was cured.

I think we can skip a few steps, have faith in miracles and simply canonise azzuri.

saint azzuri of the blessed moderation
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcwowzers!!
i thought it was just me that was being controlled by the saintly interwebmessageboard gods.
dissapointed.i don't feel quite so special now.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stevie wrote:
saint azzuri of the blessed moderation
Bah, humbug!
Azzurri is a sinner.
Stevie wrote:
John Paul II, the current pontiff
A mere son of Adam, like the rest of us.
Stevie wrote:
Normally at least five years must pass before the process leading to “sainthood” is initiated
"Process"? There is no "process". There is only hope........

   Oh, when the saints go marching in
   Oh, when the saints go marching in
   Lord, how I want to be in that number
   When the saints go marching in

   And when the sun refuse to shine
   And when the sun refuse to shine
   Lord, how I want to be in that number
   When the sun refuse to shine

   And when the moon turns red with blood
   And when the moon turns red with blood
   Lord, how I want to be in that number
   When the moon turns red with blood

   Oh, when the trumpet sounds its call
   Oh, when the trumpet sounds its call
   Lord, how I want to be in that number
   When the trumpet sounds its call

   Oh When the new world is revealed
   Oh When the new world is revealed
   Lord, how I want to be in that number
   When the new world is revealed

   Oh, when the saints go marching in
   Oh, when the saints go marching in
   Lord, how I want to be in that number
   When the saints go marching in !
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As many know, I truly believe religion is poison.

But we can have the odd saint or two.

However, the Daily Mash reports :
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GOD FOUND EARTH AMONG SOME OF HIS OTHER STUFF, CLAIMS EXPERT    

A NEW interpretation of the Bible suggests that God did not create the Earth, but stumbled upon it while looking for a magazine.

God would probably have looked behind a chest of drawers like this one
Dr Nathan Muir, a leading Hebrewologist, said the misunderstanding arose from the traditional translation of the word 'bara' which, he claims, does not mean 'to create' but to 'move the chest of drawers out a bit because it could easily have fallen down the back'.

He said: "Genesis clearly tells the story of God searching for an old copy of Omnipotent Digest that contained a picture of an otter giving a 'thumbs up' gesture.

"He had told one of His friends that it was very amusing and had promised to see if He couldn't dig it out.

"The passage goes on to describe how, while searching for the magazine, God found His spare set of van keys that He thought He'd lost ages ago, and then a blue-green ball thing that He considered taking outside for a kickabout before realising it was covered in tiny creatures."

Dr Muir admitted that it was still unclear how the Earth ended up in God's vast living room.

"It seems God lived in an infinitely massive shared house with three other supreme beings, and one of them may have left it lying around. The text reads, 'And God said lo, is this anyone's, because if it's not then I might have it, if that's alright."

But creationists have dismissed Dr Muir's interpretation, insisting any theory other than God constructing absolutely everything in six days, five and a half thousand years ago was 'dangerously unhinged'.

Rev Martin Bishop, of the First Church of the Immaculate Contraption, said: "The passage actually reads, 'And God did ask the beasts of the field, 'has anyone seen the magazine with the picture of that universe I created?'"




Maybe he needs a high speed connection and that's why he never answers my emails.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A debate that has got me thinking........(thanks)

Obviously I'm a pseudonominous contributor. (I only read this forum in my own name)

Should I "come out"  and reveal my identity, say like Dave or Rinty?

Should I "come out" but merely reveal  my name? ( say, a forename)?

( there's a distinction, I think, between giving your real name and revealing your true full identity)




I'll think about it though.......


Maybe I'll do both......and keep ML as a sock-puppet.


Meanwhile, ponder........is revealing your identity anything more than a vanity?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many are sodomous contibutors, so pseudonomininous is as justifiable as any.

Do or don't, I was getting somewhat bored with 'Bravehand' anyway.  My first name is out there and it's no big deal.

But this whole vanity thing... maybe I should use a false 'real name'.  I fancy Horatio Humperdinkle; I guess I'll get bored with that too...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no great objection to folk taking part in political discourse under a pseudonym, and a lot of folk who use a pseudonym (Holebender, for example, or Magister Ludi) do genuinely use this simply in order to take part in political discourse. It only becomes a problem when some folk using a pseudonym persistently make personal attacks on individuals who are more open than themselves. Behaving in such a fashion seems to me to be (1) rather cowardly, and (2) harmful to genuine political discourse. This problem does arise here on this forum, and, when discussion of topics got hijacked off-topic in the direction of (from my point of view) cowardly personal abuse, I have said that I considered such behavior unacceptable. I think I was right to say so, but Mairead considered the very act of me saying so to be itself "off topic", and that is why she started this discussion specifically about "Pseudonyms and other non thread issues".
magister ludi wrote:
is revealing your identity anything more than a vanity?
Maybe, in a context where most folk use pseudonyms, it could be seen as vanity. But in everyday life, the opposite would be true. Suppose (for example) you live in a community where you come in daily contact with your neighbours, and you work in a medium sized business, where you have contact with both your work colleagues and with customers on a daily basis. If your neighbours are Robbie and Fiona, and your work colleagues are Jimmy and Jeanie, and you insist on identifying yourself to your neighbours, and your work colleagues, and to customers of the business, as "The Master", or some other pseudonym, then that might be seen by your neighbours and colleagues and others as a vain thing to do. It is only in the weird, topsy turvy world of the internet that it can seem like vanity to be Dave, or Steve, or whatever. As for me, there was never at any time any "revealing" of a name. Right from the very first time I used the internet, I always just assumed that using your name was the normal thing to do. The reason I used my surname was because it turned out there were already a couple of other "Daves".


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