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Holebender
Ready For Afterlife!
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I mean the sort of rule which says you may claim for such and such an item, up to a maximum of x amount. That is a rule; it specifies what is allowed and the upper limit of how much will be reimbursed. If you're looking for a commandment which says you must buy this and you must spend that you are, of course, fantasising.
The online Cambridge English dictionary defines a rule as | Quote: | | an accepted principle or instruction that states the way things are or should be done, and tells you what you are allowed or are not allowed to do |
I think that's the way just about everybody understands the word. Notice, rules need not be as prescriptive as you would have us believe, they need only set how things should be done and tell you what is allowed or not allowed.
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Stevie
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Robert Burns
The De'il's Awa Wi' Th' Exciseman[/b]
The deil cam fiddlin thro' the town
And danced awa wi' th' Exciseman;
And ilka wife cries, auld Mahoun,
I wish you luck o' the prize, man.
Chorus
The deil's awa, the deil's awa
The deil's awa wi' th' Exciseman,
He's danced awa, he's danced awa
He's danced awa wi' th' Exciseman.
We'll mak our maut and we'll brew our drink,
We'll laugh, sing and rejoice, man;
And mony braw thanks to the meikle black deil,
That danc'd awa wi' th' Exciseman.
Chorus
There's threesome reels, there's foursome reels,
There's hornpipes and strathpeys, man,
But the ae best dance e'er cam to the Land
Was, the deil's awa wi' th' Exciseman.
The Brits havnae a poet to kiss his arse.
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Fidget
Standing in a Council Ward
Joined: 21 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | I mean the sort of rule which says you may claim for such and such an item, up to a maximum of x amount. That is a rule; it specifies what is allowed and the upper limit of how much will be reimbursed. If you're looking for a commandment which says you must buy this and you must spend that you are, of course, fantasising.
The online Cambridge English dictionary defines a rule as | Quote: | | an accepted principle or instruction that states the way things are or should be done, and tells you what you are allowed or are not allowed to do |
I think that's the way just about everybody understands the word. Notice, rules need not be as prescriptive as you would have us believe, they need only set how things should be done and tell you what is allowed or not allowed. |
I see. You're of the MP ilk then who, because it gives a limit, means that limit must be gotten to as that is the rule.
I hope you don't have any credit cards. |
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Holebender
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Tell me where I have said that the limit is a target. You just make stuff up as you go along, but don't expect me to play your game.
You said the rules didn't exist. I found examples of the rules within five minutes of starting to search and you try to discredit me rather than admit your ignorance. Go and find somebody else to play with because you are not worth my time and I don't take kindly to your personal slurs. You got it wrong and you're not man enough to accept it.
btw, the only money I owe is my mortgage, and that will be paid off in five more months. I have a credit card but I never use it, it has a zero balance. I have a healthy cash balance in the bank, plus a few investments. I have bank accounts in three different currencies. How about you? Debt free, I hope.
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Fidget
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | | Tell me where I have said that the limit is a target. You just make stuff up as you go along, but don't expect me to play your game. |
Forgive me for thinking that this:
| Holebender wrote: | | I mean the sort of rule which says you may claim for such and such an item, up to a maximum of x amount. |
..meant that you were talking about "a limit".
| Holebender wrote: | | You said the rules didn't exist. I found examples of the rules within five minutes of starting to search and you try to discredit me rather than admit your ignorance. Go and find somebody else to play with because you are not worth my time and I don't take kindly to your personal slurs. You got it wrong and you're not man enough to accept it. |
And I stand by me comment that the "rules" don't exist. It's not rules. It's guidelines. MP's know that fine well.
| Holebender wrote: | | btw, the only money I owe is my mortgage, and that will be paid off in five more months. I have a credit card but I never use it, it has a zero balance. I have a healthy cash balance in the bank, plus a few investments. I have bank accounts in three different currencies. How about you? Debt free, I hope. |
Not at all interested in your personal finances. |
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Holebender
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Fidget wrote: | | Holebender wrote: | | Tell me where I have said that the limit is a target. You just make stuff up as you go along, but don't expect me to play your game. |
Forgive me for thinking that this:
| Holebender wrote: | | I mean the sort of rule which says you may claim for such and such an item, up to a maximum of x amount. |
..meant that you were talking about "a limit". |
You really seem to have a problem with comprehension; yes it's a limit, but at no point do I say it's a target.
| Fidget wrote: | | Holebender wrote: | | You said the rules didn't exist. I found examples of the rules within five minutes of starting to search and you try to discredit me rather than admit your ignorance. Go and find somebody else to play with because you are not worth my time and I don't take kindly to your personal slurs. You got it wrong and you're not man enough to accept it. |
And I stand by me comment that the "rules" don't exist. It's not rules. It's guidelines. MP's know that fine well.
| Holebender wrote: | | btw, the only money I owe is my mortgage, and that will be paid off in five more months. I have a credit card but I never use it, it has a zero balance. I have a healthy cash balance in the bank, plus a few investments. I have bank accounts in three different currencies. How about you? Debt free, I hope. |
Not at all interested in your personal finances. |
Then why did you speculate about whether or not I have a credit card? And I note you avoid answering about your own finances. I'm not interested but it seems only fair to reciprocate.
You still aren't man enough to admit you got it wrong about the rules not existing, but then again you aren't smart enough to understand what a rule actually is.
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Fidget
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: |
You really seem to have a problem with comprehension; yes it's a limit, but at no point do I say it's a target. |
Neither did I, if you choose to go back and look.
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Then why did you speculate about whether or not I have a credit card? And I note you avoid answering about your own finances. I'm not interested but it seems only fair to reciprocate. |
Class it as speculating if you choose. I can't see me discussing my finances on a messageboard though. No offence or anything.
| Holebender wrote: | | You still aren't man enough to admit you got it wrong about the rules not existing, but then again you aren't smart enough to understand what a rule actually is. |
Well.. if under your 'rule' that none of these paras.. sorry - politicians, have done anything wrong then I am humbly at your bequest. |
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Holebender
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| Fidget wrote: | | Holebender wrote: |
You really seem to have a problem with comprehension; yes it's a limit, but at no point do I say it's a target. |
Neither did I, if you choose to go back and look. |
I went back and looked, and look here you are saying
| Fidget wrote: | | You're of the MP ilk then who, because it gives a limit, means that limit must be gotten to as that is the rule. |
That was you saying the limit was a target. You say the "limit must be gotten to" because the rule says so.
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Fidget
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| I said you are of the ilk who think that. |
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Reluctant Hero
Jim Baxter is God...........really!!!!
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Unbelievably, MPs are looking at giving themselves a 5% pay increase to "compensate" for loss of expenses.
If ever there was an admission that the expenses system was being abused, there it is.
All this when they are trying to freeze public sector pay and spouting rubbish like "we are all in this together".
Absolutely unbelievable.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/n...e-for-MPs-to-stop-rebellion.html#
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Stevie
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| Reluctant Hero wrote: | | Unbelievably, MPs are looking at giving themselves a 5% pay increase to "compensate" for loss of expenses. |
I can explain this... they're b*****s.
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Aventinian
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Stevie wrote: | Robert Burns
The De'il's Awa Wi' Th' Exciseman[/b]
The deil cam fiddlin thro' the town
And danced awa wi' th' Exciseman;
And ilka wife cries, auld Mahoun,
I wish you luck o' the prize, man.
Chorus
The deil's awa, the deil's awa
The deil's awa wi' th' Exciseman,
He's danced awa, he's danced awa
He's danced awa wi' th' Exciseman.
We'll mak our maut and we'll brew our drink,
We'll laugh, sing and rejoice, man;
And mony braw thanks to the meikle black deil,
That danc'd awa wi' th' Exciseman.
Chorus
There's threesome reels, there's foursome reels,
There's hornpipes and strathpeys, man,
But the ae best dance e'er cam to the Land
Was, the deil's awa wi' th' Exciseman.
The Brits havnae a poet to kiss his arse. |
Er, Robert Burns was a 'Brit' - he was a British citizen. Indeed, he worked for the British state - as an exciseman indeed - and a volunteer soldier.
But of course, there are lots of excellent British poets. |
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Shagpile
This is Ma' Life!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Reluctant Hero wrote: | Unbelievably, MPs are looking at giving themselves a 5% pay increase to "compensate" for loss of expenses.
If ever there was an admission that the expenses system was being abused, there it is.
All this when they are trying to freeze public sector pay and spouting rubbish like "we are all in this together".
Absolutely unbelievable. |
You know, I kind of expected that would happen. Am I surprised...... NO.
I would have been surprised had they not thought about it.
To every Lobby Fodder Scum out there....... GET A REAL JOB! Oh, there's not one? Well there's another fine mess YOU got the union into. So you'll jump on Bankers' bonuses for the part THEY played...... and reward YOURSELVES at the same time?
You really could not make it up, laughable were it not so serious! |
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Reluctant Hero
Jim Baxter is God...........really!!!!
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No mention of MPs expenses in the old wifey's speech the other day.
And I thought it was supposed to be an important issue as well
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Fidget
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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Some sort of acknowledgment of it all would've been wise since it's exactly the sort of thing that the average voter relates to. But in-house fighting isn't something that appears during the state opening of parliament and I suspect it wasn't mentioned because it's still an in-house hot potato and it couldn't really be mentioned in any matter of fact way of "this is how it is going to be from now on".
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