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landg
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| Stevie wrote: | It goes along in some ways with my idea :
I believe that the Scottish government should fund good quality, comfortable, attractive council housing.
This council housing would then be rented and available to buy at cost price plus a very low interest rate from a Scottish National Bank.
The money that is paid back is then put into building another good quality, comfortable, attractive council house.
And when I say good quality, I don't mean the ugly thin walled brown c**p thar passes for decent council housing.
This would provide new jobs and force builders to achieve higher building standards and lower prices.
I just found this picture of the awful Scottish housing concept on the Scots Independent Newspaper site. It seems other people have had the same idea. Good, maybe one day it'll get done. |
it's what you put in the council house that is the problem. then you build/refurbish council properties and you then put the same thing back in.
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Fidget
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| landg wrote: |
it's what you put in the council house that is the problem. |
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magister ludi
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Fidget wrote: | | landg wrote: |
it's what you put in the council house that is the problem. |
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No it's not funny.......that's the most depressingly bigoted comment I've heard in a very long time. |
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Holebender
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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... you need only look at who made the comment, and who found it funny...
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Fidget
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| magister ludi wrote: | | Fidget wrote: | | landg wrote: |
it's what you put in the council house that is the problem. |
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No it's not funny.......that's the most depressingly bigoted comment I've heard in a very long time. |
It was still funny. |
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I never use my overdraft facility with HBOS, and I sure as hell won't be doing so now. But I sure have a savings account, and it's since been cleared out after they sent me notice of these charges. Notice of these charges gave me the motivation I needed to change accounts from the rotting corpse that is HBOS.
As an ex-employee and knowing exactly how they used to 'push' products on customers (loans, mortgages, credit cards), and how each employee had 'sales' targets, I can't possibly see how the bank can be saved in its current form.
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Stevie
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:15 am Post subject: |
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I'm starting the council house government mortgage bill thread out of this thread since it's distracting the thread from it's reason to be.
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landg
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| magister ludi wrote: | | Fidget wrote: | | landg wrote: |
it's what you put in the council house that is the problem. |
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No it's not funny.......that's the most depressingly bigoted comment I've heard in a very long time. |
i'm sorry the humour is not to your tatse, but, it is NOT bigotted to quite rightly point out that much of the problems with local authority housing and the associated schemes are caused by the inhabitatnts.
i spend my days going in and out of people's council houses, many take pride in their home and surrounding, many do not. they are the problem.
bigotted? again words with big meanings being thrown around on a whim with no thought behind the meaning of the word. |
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Aventinian
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| magister ludi wrote: | | No it's not funny.......that's the most depressingly bigoted comment I've heard in a very long time. |
However large a generalisation, he has a point: most of the depressed communities in Scotland are not ruined by the quality of their housing, but by the people who live within them. The vast majority certainly aren't bad - it only takes a few bad eggs to ruin such areas - but they're certainly passive in many cases.
Try for example organising a community project in a middle class area, and then try doing the same in a deprived community. I know exactly where you'll find the most co-operation. |
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azzuri
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| Aventinian wrote: |
Try for example organising a community project in a middle class area, and then try doing the same in a deprived community. I know exactly where you'll find the most co-operation. |
This may simply be because the middle classes tend to have a lot more invested in an area (i.e. home ownership). The link between home ownership and success of community projects/campaigns in urban areas has been proven over and over again.
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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury." - Alexander Tytler
"There are four ways to spend money. A) You can spend your money on yourself, in which case you will strive for a mix of the best bargain and the best quality. B) You can spend your money on someone else, in which case you are still interested in a bargain, but the quality of the product or service becomes secondary. C) You can spend other people's money on yourself, in which case price is no object but quality becomes a great concern. D) Finally, you can spend other people's money on other people, in which case neither price nor quality is of great concern."
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Aventinian
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| azzuri wrote: | | This may simply be because the middle classes tend to have a lot more invested in an area (i.e. home ownership). The link between home ownership and success of community projects/campaigns in urban areas has been proven over and over again. |
Perhaps so, and I think that's something inherent in the nature of ownership itself rather than any reflection on, say, how long people are remaining in the area for.
Which is a shame really... perhaps people should, you know, have some sort of ability, maybe even a right, to procure... buy, even... their council houses. I seem to have a faint recollection of that once happening in Scotland... |
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Ultra
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| Aventinian wrote: | | azzuri wrote: | | This may simply be because the middle classes tend to have a lot more invested in an area (i.e. home ownership). The link between home ownership and success of community projects/campaigns in urban areas has been proven over and over again. |
Perhaps so, and I think that's something inherent in the nature of ownership itself rather than any reflection on, say, how long people are remaining in the area for.
Which is a shame really... perhaps people should, you know, have some sort of ability, maybe even a right, to procure... buy, even... their council houses. I seem to have a faint recollection of that once happening in Scotland... |
Did you know that most people aren't allowed to buy new build housing association houses these days and have not been able to for years?
The councils only really have poor housing stock left anyways. The decent houses would have been bought it along time ago. |
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Aventinian
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| Ultra wrote: | Did you know that most people aren't allowed to buy new build housing association houses these days and have not been able to for years?
The councils only really have poor housing stock left anyways. The decent houses would have been bought it along time ago. |
I was faintly aware that the situation was rather more complicated than I was making out, but on the minutiae of housing policy generally I must claim relatively ignorance. |
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mairead
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Aventinian,
LoL here's a first for you. For once I am in complete agreement with you regarding the bad eggs who ruin areas, but I have no idea how this can be controlled or dealt with.
I remember when the big Drumchapel housing scheme was built. people would have killed to get a house there and get away from the old tenements. It was not long though before the bad elements moved in and ruined it for many.
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