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Dave Coull
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| TrueBrit wrote: | | The British National Party is not a fascist or racist party |
We have already established that the BNP is "racist". What about "fascist"? The Oxford English Dictionary's definition of fascism refers to it as being of the "nationalistic right wing" and the Oxford dictionary states "origin - 1920s (with reference to Mussolini's regime in Italy)". The Cambridge dictionary's definition refers to a politics involving "a very powerful leader" and "being extremely proud of country AND RACE". Here on this forum, "Magister Ludi" provided a link to a website giving an "economic" definition of fascism which can be found at http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html
Yes, on the grounds of their extreme form of British Nationalism, and their racism, and even their economic policies, the BNP is fascist.
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TrueBrit
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The SNP are proud of their nation and the Scottish people as a race so are you saying they are facist?
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The "racist" bit is undeniable. Any party whose membership rules state that some people will be excluded from membership on the grounds of race is, by definition, a racist party[/quote]
So every organisation that excists to solely promote/protect the rights of a certain ethnic group is racist?
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The SNP is a civic nationalist organisation. Race does not enter into it; what concerns the SNP and its supporters is the good governance of the territory of Scotland. The backgrounds, ancestors, etc. of the people living within Scotland are of no interest to the SNP or those who support the SNP.
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Dave Coull
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I wrote | Quote: | | Any party whose membership rules state that some people will be excluded from membership on the grounds of race is, by definition, a racist party |
| TrueBrit wrote: | | So every organisation that excists to solely promote/protect the rights of a certain ethnic group is racist? |
If there is such a thing as an outfit called "Save-The-Amazonian-Native-Tribes-From-Extinction", then, PROVIDED IT'S MEMBERSHIP IS OPEN TO EVERYBODY, and not just to Amazonian natives, it might be argued that isn't a racist organisation as such. But an organisation whose membership rules discriminate on racial grounds is, by definition, a racist organisation. You might as well try to claim that the Ku Klux Klan is not a racist organisation. Even your party Leader has acknowledged that the membership rules of the BNP are in breach of the UK's anti-discrimination laws. He says the rules will be changed, but obviously that will take time, and it will have to be done at a party conference, and there might be opposition from within the party to any such a change. In any case, even if the rule change does eventually go ahead, it will only be happening as a formal gesture to keep the party "legal". It won't alter the fact that the BNP was founded as a specifically racist party. | TrueBrit wrote: | | The SNP are proud of their nation and the Scottish people as a race |
So how come I've heard speakers from the SNP proudly saying that the Scots are a bunch of "mongrels"? Nation yes, race, no. The SNP isn't a racist party. The BNP is. |
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GRIFFIN COULD MAKE OUR ELECTRICITY RACIST, CLAIMS SELLAFIELD
BNP lunatic Nick Griffin has been banned from the Sellafield nuclear plant amid fears he could make Britain's electricity all racist and homophobic.
The Nazis made racist electricity by rubbing against each other at Nuremberg
Managers at the plant warned that a visit by Mr Griffin and his gang of bald henchmen could contaminate the uranium rods deep inside the reactor core.
Manager Roy Hobbs said: "Most people know that uranium is a highly unstable element. What they don't know is that it's also very impressionable.
"All it would take is for Mr Griffin to utter the phrase 'white power' and these weak-minded atoms would quickly turn large sections of the National Grid into the electro-magnetic equivalent of a Nuremberg rally."
He added: "This thuggish, extreme right-wing electricity would then refuse to enter the homes of people from ethnic minorities in the mistaken belief that they will use it to make more babies.
"Synagogues would face black-outs and gay nightclubs would be without their pulsating lights and heavy bass. They would, quite literally, be dancing in the dark.
"Meanwhile these racist electrons would then attempt to hijack the Royal British Legion, lighting it up like a Christmas tree until it starts to throb and hum. It could easily terrify local cats and dogs."
But Tom Logan, professor of physics at Reading University, insisted only a tiny minority of uranium atoms hate foreigners, adding: "Do you think we'll ever stop making a fuss about this stupid Nazi oaf?"
THE DAILY MASH.
04-11-09
The only truly reliable newspaper
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TrueBrit
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The backgrounds, ancestors, etc. of the people living within Scotland are of no interest to the SNP
A lot of SNP supporters will be suprised to hear that! A nationalist party that has no interest in its people!!
Most SNP types hate the English!!!
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f**k.comedy newspaper in it is must be real shocker.
what next Mademoiselle STEVIE. |
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| TrueBrit wrote: | | The SNP are proud of their nation and the Scottish people as a race so are you saying they are facist? |
They don't support a Scottish race, but rather a Scottish 'nation'. Which I think it just as bad - and in some ways, potentially worse - but there we go.
The SNP have been admirable in supporting other races as part of this Scottish society, which is fine, but that alone I do not believe makes them the 'civic nationalist' party they apparently want to be. Their nationalism is not particularly civic, it is identity-based. |
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| Holebender wrote: | | The SNP is a civic nationalist organisation. |
Can anybody tell me who coined the expression "civic nationalism" and who "popularised" it in its scottish context? |
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I don't know, personally I'd decapitate the enemy.
Actually braveheart, most SNP types don't hate the English and I far prefer English women to the Scottish variety.
This may surprise you but, it's not about race, gender, creed or whatever other prejudice you'd bring to the table. It's about sovereignty.
Most Scots would be very happy to see anybody of any race, skin tone, ancestry share in an independent Scotland.
And I know your BNP friend Truebrit might not share that perspective or you yourself with your New Tory leanings, but you can love something without hating something else.
BUT, the very fact you brought it up speaks volumes about your own perspectives and prejudices. Actually, it's the first time I've heard anyone on this site mention it.
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| Stevie wrote: | I don't know, personally I'd decapitate the enemy.
Actually braveheart, most SNP types don't hate the English and I far prefer English women to the Scottish variety.
This may surprise you but, it's not about race, gender, creed or whatever other prejudice you'd bring to the table. It's about sovereignty.
Most Scots would be very happy to see anybody of any race, skin tone, ancestry share in an independent Scotland.
And I know your BNP friend Truebrit might not share that perspective or you yourself with your New Tory leanings, but you can love something without hating something else.
BUT, the very fact you brought it up speaks volumes about your own perspectives and prejudices. Actually, it's the first time I've heard anyone on this site mention it. |
Most british people be very happy to see anybody of any race, skin tone, ancestry share in an britain. |
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| landg wrote: | | Most british people be very happy to see anybody of any race, skin tone, ancestry share in an britain. |
I see you've started insufflating again.
Tell that to Truebrit.
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| Stevie wrote: | | landg wrote: | | Most british people be very happy to see anybody of any race, skin tone, ancestry share in an britain. |
I see you've started insufflating again.
Tell that to Truebrit. |
i just did.
i'm sure he can rrad the same as you. |
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Dave Coull
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| landg wrote: | | Most british people be very happy to see anybody of any race, skin tone, ancestry share in an britain. |
While finding landg's reference to "an britain" a bit confusing, I think there's quite a lot of truth in that. | Stevie wrote: | | Most Scots would be very happy to see anybody of any race, skin tone, ancestry share in an independent Scotland. |
Again, quite a lot of truth in that. Quite a lot of truth in both these statements. Isn't it nice that we're agreeing on something. |
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landg is quite an agreable chap.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Stevie wrote: | | landg is quite an agreable chap. |
dave since your on grammar and speeling duty............... |
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I take it, in your confused state, you think I've misspelt something.
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| Stevie wrote: | | I take it, in your confused state, you think I've misspelt something. |
unless for some obscure reason your writing in english and french.hmmm................ 
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