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Stevie
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 Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:28 pm Post subject: A Scottish education? |
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SUBJECT : A « SCOTTISH EDUCATION » IN THE SCOTTISH EDUCATION SYSTEM.
We need to win the battle for the « hearts » as well as the minds of the people of Scotland.
Every democratic country in the world, except us, uses its education system to educate its people about their homeland. The accepted norm then becomes, for example, France is France.
We need to educate our children at school.
We need to educate them about :
a) Scottish history (especially the clan system/the wars of independence).
b) Scottish literature/poetry(especially Robert Burns).
c) Scottish scientists/inventors(e.g. James Clark Maxwell was a major influence on Einstein)
d) Scottish cuisine(traditional recipees)
e) Scottish law
f) Scottish art/celtic art
g) Scottish/celtic/gaelic music and instruments
h) Scottish geography(including trips to the highlands). etc, etc, etc
In order to create a feeling for our homeland.
They have to « feel » Scottish from an early age. If they dont feel it then all our clever economic arguments will fall on deaf ears.
The SNP can demand a « Scottish » education in parliament. If they say no, we can make some noise and the people of Scotland would be sympathetic towards us.
We need to create an environment that will foster a feeling of being Scots, then we can one day win.
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| Scots have excelled extremely well in the world without any blinkered 'a to h' programme of 'scottishness' and will continue to do so without any interfering teach this that or the other about Scotland. In fact, your 'a to h' programme will probably do more harm than good. |
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Stevie
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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I might venture to enquire what you know about any of the subjects listed but I already know the answer; very very little.
Not blinkered but informative and meant to be included in a national education program.
I never imagined learning about Scotland and the Scots would stop anyone doing well in the world, in fact quite the contrary.
And it'll do more good than harm... wait a minute, it won't do any harm at all.
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| I'don't often agree with fidget (do sit still!!) .....but "nail" head" & "on" this time : I don't want to swap "the romans in britain" for "brigadoon"..... |
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| I learned about a, b, c, d, e, f and g as a matter of course through school rather than any systematic focus. Has it all been written out of schooling or something now? |
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| Fidget wrote: | | I learned about a, b, c, d, e, f and g as a matter of course through school rather than any systematic focus. Has it all been written out of schooling or something now? |
eh?
sorry, Stevie I take it back! |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Speaking as someone who : is a qualified teacher of English, science; loves history (all history); likes classic literature; loves Burns; loves Scottish/Irish/celtic folk music (it's good and I have a reasonably knowledgeable grasp of it for your average person); a natural interest in geology/geography... I'm not talking about something I'm ignorant of.
Why the heck not include these interesting aspects of Scotland into the local education of children.
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| Fidget wrote: | | I learned about a, b, c, d, e, f and g as a matter of course through school rather than any systematic focus. Has it all been written out of schooling or something now? |
No you didn't.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| well I neffer! A clairvoyant schoolteatcher! Whateffer next?! |
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Stevie
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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If you think you were taught a 'Scottish' education, then you'd be the first person I've ever talked to who does.
Still, what you think you might know you don't.
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| Well, I'm versed in your a-h stuff. That's enough really for schooling. Any further interest can be taken up by anybody with further interested in it. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Really,
a) Name two of Bruce's most important commanders (there's an easy one)
b) Burns wrote a poem about a girl who died. Who was she and what was Burns guilt in her demise?
c) What James Clark Maxwell theories helped Einstein?
d) This is a largely dead on its feet subject but could be greatly enriched with a little effort.
e) Name a major difference between Scottish and English law. (there's another easy one)
f) Why are traditional highland tartans the colour they are?
g) Name the traditional celtic instrument and name 3 good folk bands and three good folk songs.
In fact, define folk music.
h) Geography is taught at school. What geography trip did you do around the highlands?
Fairly easy questions indeed. Automatic instantaneous answers expected from someone with an inkling of knowledge.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Taking far too long to answer.
Versed... nope.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry Headmaster, I left school a while ago, and along with it, the snapping of fingers to answer questions on demand. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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I rest my case.
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Good.
Countless up and coming youngsters will never know that they've got me to thank for that. |
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Stevie
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So, we have a Brit Nat who's against the idea and tried to suggest it was negative and unnecessary (saying he was reasonably well aquainted with some basic Scottish education ideas as if to justify his negativity) and knows absolutely nothing about Scotland, it's history or its culture.
He makes my argument for me.
I suppose he can Wikipedia some answers but certainly not all.
I do not claim to be a know it all by any means. I'm saying, the Scots can benefit in many ways by knowing about themselves.
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Fidget, this is not even slightly about you personally. Not even the mere whiff of a smidgen of a suggestion about you.
This is about something more important than you trying to score a point.
So I used you simply to illustrate the ignorance of the Scottish population as a whole about themselves as a nation.
You were an enormous help in enabling me to underscore the ignorance of the Scot about Scotland.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Stevie wrote: | So, we have a Brit Nat who's against the idea and tried to suggest it was negative and unnecessary (saying he was reasonably well aquainted with some basic Scottish education ideas as if to justify his negativity) and knows absolutely nothing about Scotland, it's history or its culture.
He makes my argument for me.
I suppose he can Wikipedia some answers but certainly not all.
I do not claim to be a know it all by any means. I'm saying, the Scots can benefit in many ways by knowing about themselves. |
Nick Griffin made the point the other day on the news about why school children are no longer taught about British history in schools these days.
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Stevie
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Scots should know about Scotland.
Kids generally know about the kings and queens of England and it's time they knew about Scotland.
I wish to enrich their minds, every country on Earth teaches its citizens about their country's history, Scotland should do the same.
I notice it's the Brit Nats who are reacting against this idea, so I guess it's a good idea.
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