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Holebender · Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:49 am Post subject:

England has state schools where English is the second language of many of the pupils. It is not the second language of the school or the curriculum, an entirely different thing. You are just trying to deflect the discussion from your earlier statement because you cannot back it up. The education system does not change curriculum every time a new migrant shows up.

As for you assertion that a more Scotland-focused education isn't going to happen because of migrants, that's just rubbish too. It may not happen, but not because of migrants; it may not happen because of Scots. I say this because the education system has been run by Scots ever since (and before) the 1707 Union and those Scots appear to have tried to systematically remove anything Scottish from our schools at every opportunity. The only way Scotland is ever likely to change this situation is by becoming independent.
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Corby Boy · Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:38 pm Post subject:

Scots education including histoyr, law etc.. should be taught in Scots schools for sure.

It is how its taught and context and encouraging youngsters to make up their own minds on subjects that is important.

General awareness of one's own surroundings is never a bad thing.

I would argue though, that despite the teaching of English history in Schhols down here, the average awareness of history per se is pretty limited, in my experience Smile

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Holebender · Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject:

It would seem English is your second language. Try telling us what you just said in your native tongue, maybe it'll make more sense.
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Stevie · Independentist Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Posts: 1179

Dear Braveheart,

the more the merrier; it's not an exhaustive list.

Good additions.
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Dave, being a teacher I know what can and can't be happily incorporated into a school curriculum.

My own list was a relatively small inclusion but the point is not quantity but at least something.
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Dave appears angry but he's actually just a tad excited and having a whale of a time.

His blood is pumping with the thrill of the chase.

As far as his criticizing your fudge, well I love the stuff.

Actually, I've been thinking about fudge for a week now.

I know that Thornton's used to sell good fudge.
Are they still on the go?
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Perhaps "comparative legal studies" is a bit over the top for primary4, but I can see no reason why morality....the whole business of right and wrong couldn't be taught in a participative, engaging and fun way. Kids in my experience are genuinely fascinated by what is right and what is wrong. For kids generally are defined, and define themselves as "good" or "bad"; their behaviour is defined as "good" or "bad". In games and role play when one mimics adults ( parents, teachers etc) he/she does so with the wagging finger of admonition or the soothing words "good boy" delivered in encouraging tones If you think about it, after being assigned a gender, the terms "good" & "bad" are the labels most commonly applied to kids.
The development of morality in children is closely associated with the development of self concept and self esteem. If it could be taught exploratively rather than as a doctrine ( and there's the rub.....some bluiddy thought taliban movement would hi-jack the agenda/curriculum)....I believe it would be worth while. Interestingly ( well to me anyway) some new research was published recently casting some doubt on the current Piagetian derived thinking about the stages of moral development.

"The findings indicate that the moral judgements of young children are influenced neither principally by outcome (as Piaget claimed) nor only by outcome and intention (as many subsequent researchers have assumed),"

"Children demonstrate surprisingly sophisticated and differentiated moral reasoning,"

http://bps-research-digest.blogsp...hildrens-moral-understanding.html

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Rinty · Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:08 am Post subject:

"The UK government, we hear, hase had a policy of unrestricted immigration for the past decade or so. "

No it hasnt, far from it, in fact the last decade has been a period of increasing restrictions re immigration, not the reverse.