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Shagpile
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| Fidget wrote: | | Dave Coull wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | | someone like you who lies |
My name is Dave Coull. |
Prove it. |
Prove your name is Fidget. An excellent adjective for you, probably an excellent noun. But Prove it.
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Dave Coull
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| Ultra wrote: | | someone like you who lies |
I wrote | Quote: | | My name is Dave Coull. That's the truth. Your name is not Ultra. That's the truth. If you weren't making your false allegations while hiding behind a false name, you could be sued for defamation. If you weren't hiding behind a false name, you might have to try to come up with some real evidence of your defamatory statement about a real person, "someone like you who lies". You would be unable to do so. |
Now some nonentity (it may or may not be the same nonentity as "ultra", it's difficult to tell one nonentity from another) wonders if I can prove I'm Dave Coull. Yes, if I ever get the opportunity to sue the fake "ultra" for calling me a liar, I can prove conclusively, to the court's satisfaction, that I am indeed the Dave Coull who has been defamed. I can show the court masses of documentary evidence to prove this. But so far as this forum is concerned, there is no need for me to produce birth certificates etc etc etc. For practical purposes, there is already enough proof publicly available, most folk on here already know it's true, and quite a few of the folk on here have met me in person, so there's no need for me to prove it to them. As for you, you fidgeting nonentity, you want more? First, give your OWN real name, and some genuine details about yourself. |
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Ultra
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Dave Coull wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | | someone like you who lies |
My name is Dave Coull. That's the truth. Your name is not Ultra. That's the truth. If you weren't making your false allegations while hiding behind a false name, you could be sued for defamation. If you weren't hiding behind a false name, you might have to try to come up with some real evidence of your defamatory statement about a real person, "someone like you who lies". You would be unable to do so. |
Prove my name or nickname is not Ultra? Prove you are infact Dave Coull?
Yeah Dave. It's all lies I have put up in the links straight from UAF websites listing sponsors as requested by you and individuals who happen to be Labour MP's or organization who fund the Labour Party.  You said there was no sponsors connected to the Labour Party and I proved to you there was. So who is telling the truth? Now you are back peddling because you have been caught out tells lies. Oh dear.
No conspiracy theories needed and I don't really care who funds the UAF as it's pretty clear who is funding who by association to anyone who cares to look into the UAF a bit more and also by attending fundraisers and demos as MP's. Just because you haven't heard of them suggests to me that you either do not read the media or know not alot about what you spout. Or there is in fact some other sinister reason for dis-associating yourself with that group. Which one is it?
As for your rubbish about the SWP printing up posters and not being responsible for them. What a load of old tosh that is. The SWP print and publish posters and leaflets and distribute them at demos and even you admit to the SWP arranging transport to such demos. So because it's the SWP it's not a 'rent a mob'?
Why don't you go back and read exactly what I have put because you seem to have missed the parts were I agree with you about demos still taking place with regards to Question Time but the fact is if the UAF were not bussing these people in from London Uni's or organizing a campaign on line, would the vast majority bother to turn up? I doubt it.
So you are not a member of any political party but you go and associate with alot of SWP (Socialist Workers Party) types on demos organized by them and know alot about the goings on? Sounds like you support their causes to me.
Instead of spouting your rubbish about people being 'nonentities' when you know nothing about them, and do a really good job all by yourself of contridaciting what you yourself have written, why don't you stick to the facts and truth which is pretty clear instead of concrete thinking denying all knowledge and cutting and pasting things out of context to try and make a point long since lost by you.
You are nothing more than a smoke screen Dave. You continually try to move threads off topic when you don't like what is being said or resort to discussions on peoples characters you know nothing about. |
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Fidget
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Shagpile wrote: | | Fidget wrote: | | Dave Coull wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | | someone like you who lies |
My name is Dave Coull. |
Prove it. |
Prove your name is Fidget. An excellent adjective for you, probably an excellent noun. But Prove it. |
I can't. That was the whole point.  Fidget isn't my name btw.. but it is -what was - my schooldays nickname. I can't prove that either though.  |
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Fidget wrote: | | I can't. That was the whole point. Fidget isn't my name btw.. but it is -what was - my schooldays nickname. I can't prove that either though. |
Better answer than the post preceeding yours. |
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Fidget
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| I'll take that as a complement. |
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Dave Coull
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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"Ultra" said that I | Quote: | | resort to discussions on peoples characters |
As a matter of fact, "ultra", you were making personal attacks on MY character before I pointed out the simple truth that "ultra" is a non-entity. Regarding your earlier personal attacks on me, to take just one example out of many, you called me | Quote: | | someone like you who lies |
to which I quite reasonably responded | Quote: | | My name is Dave Coull. That's the truth. Your name is not Ultra. That's the truth. If you weren't making your false allegations while hiding behind a false name, you could be sued for defamation. |
| Ultra wrote: | | Dave. You continually try to move threads off topic |
The topic of this particular thread is "LEAFLET distributed at Thursday night's protest". I have tried harder than yourself to discuss the content of that leaflet, therefore, on this particular thread, I made more effort to stick to the topic than you did. And no, I don't "continually try to move threads off topic". I will sometimes make a comment which some folk think "off topic" but which I consider relevant. However, "sometimes" isn't the same thing as "continually", and, in any case, on this particular topic, YOU have been more "off-topic" than I have. | Ultra wrote: | | So you are not a member of any political party but you go and associate with a lot of SWP |
No, they associate with me. I was involved in the campaign of non-payment of the poll-tax right from the very start. The SWP were actually a bit late and a bit reluctant about getting involved in that. So, in that case, it was a case of the SWP associating with me, rather than the other way round. | Ultra wrote: | | Sounds like you support their causes |
No, but in some cases they support MY causes. Not in every case. They don't support independence for Scotland, for example. | Ultra wrote: | | your rubbish about the SWP printing up posters and not being responsible for them |
OF COURSE the SWP are responsible for the posters they print! I never said they weren't! | Ultra wrote: | | sinister reason for dis-associating yourself with that group |
I'm not "dis-associating" myself, I'm just stating the fact that I'm not a member of UAF. So far as I can make out, it's just the latest in a long line of organisations involving both the Socialist Workers Party and some folk in the Labour Party. I didn't join its predecessors, and I won't be joining this one. But that doesn't mean I will let pro-fascist skitters pass without comment. | Ultra wrote: | | You said there was no sponsors connected to the Labour Party |
What I actually said is a matter of public record, right here on this forum, and, if anybody cares to check, it certainly wasn't "there are no sponsors connected to the Labour Party". Your claim wasn't just that some Labour MPs support UAF, you claimed UAF was "FUNDED by THE LABOUR PARTY" - which is a very different matter. I said prove it. You failed to do so. Individual MPs agreeing to allow their names to be used as supporting UAF is not the same thing as the Labour Party, as an organisation, providing financial support. |
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Ultra
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Dave Coull wrote: | "Ultra" said that I | Quote: | | resort to discussions on peoples characters |
As a matter of fact, "ultra", you were making personal attacks on MY character before I pointed out the simple truth that "ultra" is a non-entity. Regarding your earlier personal attacks on me, to take just one example out of many, you called me | Quote: | | someone like you who lies |
to which I quite reasonably responded | Quote: | | My name is Dave Coull. That's the truth. Your name is not Ultra. That's the truth. If you weren't making your false allegations while hiding behind a false name, you could be sued for defamation. |
| Ultra wrote: | | Dave. You continually try to move threads off topic |
The topic of this particular thread is "LEAFLET distributed at Thursday night's protest". I have tried harder than yourself to discuss the content of that leaflet, therefore, on this particular thread, I made more effort to stick to the topic than you did. And no, I don't "continually try to move threads off topic". I will sometimes make a comment which some folk think "off topic" but which I consider relevant. However, "sometimes" isn't the same thing as "continually", and, in any case, on this particular topic, YOU have been more "off-topic" than I have. | Ultra wrote: | | So you are not a member of any political party but you go and associate with a lot of SWP |
No, they associate with me. I was involved in the campaign of non-payment of the poll-tax right from the very start. The SWP were actually a bit late and a bit reluctant about getting involved in that. So, in that case, it was a case of the SWP associating with me, rather than the other way round. | Ultra wrote: | | Sounds like you support their causes |
No, but in some cases they support MY causes. Not in every case. They don't support independence for Scotland, for example. | Ultra wrote: | | your rubbish about the SWP printing up posters and not being responsible for them |
OF COURSE the SWP are responsible for the posters they print! I never said they weren't! | Ultra wrote: | | sinister reason for dis-associating yourself with that group |
I'm not "dis-associating" myself, I'm just stating the fact that I'm not a member of UAF. So far as I can make out, it's just the latest in a long line of organisations involving both the Socialist Workers Party and some folk in the Labour Party. I didn't join its predecessors, and I won't be joining this one. But that doesn't mean I will let pro-fascist skitters pass without comment. | Ultra wrote: | | You said there was no sponsors connected to the Labour Party |
What I actually said is a matter of public record, right here on this forum, and, if anybody cares to check, it certainly wasn't "there are no sponsors connected to the Labour Party". Your claim wasn't just that some Labour MPs support UAF, you claimed UAF was "FUNDED by THE LABOUR PARTY" - which is a very different matter. I said prove it. You failed to do so. Individual MPs agreeing to allow their names to be used as supporting UAF is not the same thing as the Labour Party, as an organisation, providing financial support. |
Ultra said this. Dave says he said something else. What Dave really meant to say was... And so it goes on and on in the world of Dave's selective cutting and pasting.... On dear Mr Smokescreen.
So now it's the SWP who are associated with you and not the other way around?
So now you are trying to tell us Labour MP's do not represent the Labour Party? Labour Party MP's contribute to the funding of UAF. Why do you think they are mentioned on the website Dave as sponsors? Do tell?
By using the Labour MP's name to sponsor an organization the association is there along with many unions who also contribute funds to the Labour Party and UAF. Brand association mean anything to you?
Why don't you post up something from the Labour Party which says they don't financially contribute in any way via the Labour Party or it's MP's to left wing groups like UAF?
Yes Dave. By continually playing the martyr and coming across all mock offended on most threads and calling people non entities and making some sort of issue out of why people use user name instead of their real names you are casting aspersions on peoples character. How many times do you want to bring up the whole user name thing and on how many threads? Funny how you do this when you lose the argument and plot.
Infact, don't bother. The people on here can make up their own mind if they can be bothered to read through the UAF website and many contradictions you have posted all by yourself.
All without prejudice of course.
Only a joke figure would threaten legal action over an internet forum.
Next you will be resigning from 'Oor Scotland' |
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Dave Coull
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: Leaflet distributed at Thursday night's protest |
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| Ultra wrote: | | you will be resgining from 'Oor Scotland' |
No chance. But I will continue to point out that your personal accusations against me, made from behind a false identity, are both cowardly and lying.
In the very first post on this topic, I wrote | Quote: | | My wife has passed on to me the text of a leaflet which she got sent from somebody else, a leaflet which was distributed amongst the crowd demonstrating against Nick Griffin's appearance on Question Time. I don't know which group distributed this leaflet, and I don't know whether I would agree with their stances on other things (probably not - there has never been any organised group that I fully agreed with) but I agree with quite a lot of (but no, perhaps not all) what they say here. |
I then gave the text of that leaflet, which, as well as being totally opposed to the BNP, was also highly critical of the "Unite Against Fascism" strategy for opposing it | Quote: | | They argue that the BNP is not a `legitimate' party and the state should silence it: yet surely, in the state's eyes, the radical left, the anti-war movement and militant workers' struggles are also not `legitimate'? We must have no trust in state bans or state censorship..........The idea of `legitimate' politics, as defined by the existing ruling class, is a total dead end. |
As well as cricitising UAF's ineffective strategy for opposing fascism, that leaflet also specifically criticised a prominent member of the SWP | Quote: | | UAF's Weyman Bennett, a member of the Socialist Workers Party, debated the BNP's Simon Darby on the radio, steadfastly remaining `apolitical' and saying nothing as Darby attacked bankers and free-market capitalism for causing the crisis |
That is, indeed, a ridiculous position for a supposedly "revolutionary" socialist to get into, keeping quiet in order to try to preserve a "United Front", while allowing the BNP to make the running in attacking bankers and capitalism. As for me, I'm certainly not going to defend either Labour MPs or the SWP. But what I WILL defend is the truth. "Ultra" claimed the UAF was | Quote: | | FUNDED by THE LABOUR PARTY |
and that simply isn't true. Regarding Labour MPs, | Ultra wrote: | | Why do you think they are mentioned on the website Dave as sponsors? |
Because the UAF group believe (even though I think they are wrong) that this will make other people more likely to support their organisation. | Ultra wrote: | | What Dave really meant to say was... |
What Dave really meant to say was exactly what Dave did say, which is not the same thing as what "ultra" claims Dave said, as anybody can verify for themselves, because it's all here on this Our Scotland forum. |
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Ultra
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Leaflet distributed at Thursday night's protest |
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| Dave Coull wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | | you will be resgining from 'Oor Scotland' |
No chance. But I will continue to point out that your personal accusations against me, made from behind a false identity, are both cowardly and lying.
In the very first post on this topic, I wrote | Quote: | | My wife has passed on to me the text of a leaflet which she got sent from somebody else, a leaflet which was distributed amongst the crowd demonstrating against Nick Griffin's appearance on Question Time. I don't know which group distributed this leaflet, and I don't know whether I would agree with their stances on other things (probably not - there has never been any organised group that I fully agreed with) but I agree with quite a lot of (but no, perhaps not all) what they say here. |
I then gave the text of that leaflet, which, as well as being totally opposed to the BNP, was also highly critical of the "Unite Against Fascism" strategy for opposing it | Quote: | | They argue that the BNP is not a `legitimate' party and the state should silence it: yet surely, in the state's eyes, the radical left, the anti-war movement and militant workers' struggles are also not `legitimate'? We must have no trust in state bans or state censorship..........The idea of `legitimate' politics, as defined by the existing ruling class, is a total dead end. |
As well as cricitising UAF's ineffective strategy for opposing fascism, that leaflet also specifically criticised a prominent member of the SWP | Quote: | | UAF's Weyman Bennett, a member of the Socialist Workers Party, debated the BNP's Simon Darby on the radio, steadfastly remaining `apolitical' and saying nothing as Darby attacked bankers and free-market capitalism for causing the crisis |
That is, indeed, a ridiculous position for a supposedly "revolutionary" socialist to get into, keeping quiet in order to try to preserve a "United Front", while allowing the BNP to make the running in attacking bankers and capitalism. As for me, I'm certainly not going to defend either Labour MPs or the SWP. But what I WILL defend is the truth. "Ultra" claimed the UAF was | Quote: | | FUNDED by THE LABOUR PARTY |
and that simply isn't true. Regarding Labour MPs, | Ultra wrote: | | Why do you think they are mentioned on the website Dave as sponsors? |
Because the UAF group believe (even though I think they are wrong) that this will make other people more likely to support their organisation. | Ultra wrote: | | What Dave really meant to say was... |
What Dave really meant to say was exactly what Dave did say, which is not the same thing as what "ultra" claims Dave said, as anybody can verify for themselves, because it's all here on this Our Scotland forum. |
Yes they can Dave. No need for you to continually cut and paste the same rubbish you came out with earlier in the thread when it's been proved by way of the UAF website who is sponsoring this particular left wing group.
I notice you cannot answer why prominent Labour MP's would feature as sponsors if they are not contributing in some way nor disproved the connection between Labour MP's, Unions, and why they are heavily featured on the UAF site.
You also have not provided any evidence from anyone in the UAF or Labour Party saying that they do not fund the UAF in any way. Merely tried to direct the topic off to the poll tax demos and SWP. When was the poll tax in Scotland? Over a decade ago? Hardly relevent is it?
You also have not agreed that I did indeed state that there would be some sort of demo for Question Time but it would not have reached anywhere as near the number of people if they were not being bussed in from London Uni's and elsewhere.
I am sure most people on here are capable enough to read all this for themsleves and draw their own conclusion. No need for you to cut and paste more nonsense and confusion whether you agree with one group or disagree with another. You seem to be able to recalled who emailed you or provided you with leaflets and posters when it suits you.
I rest my case |
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Dave Coull
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Ultra wrote: | | When was the poll tax in Scotland? Over a decade ago? Hardly relevent is it? |
YOU made it relevant when you sought to imply I follow the SWP (a party with which, as a matter of fact, I have very profound disagreements). I mentioned the anti-poll-tax campaign because, in that case, THEY ended up, reluctantly and late, following in MY footsteps. | Ultra wrote: | | I notice you cannot answer why prominent Labour MP's would feature as sponsors if they are not contributing in some way |
Yes I did: | Quote: | | Because the UAF group believe (even though I think they are wrong) that this will make other people more likely to support their organisation. |
That's the answer! | Ultra wrote: | | You also have not provided any evidence from anyone in the UAF or Labour Party |
Why should I? I'm not the one trying to prove something. YOU are. In a post you sent to this thread at 6.58pm on Saturday the 31st of October, with specific reference to those who protested at the BBC on Thursday 22nd October, you claimed that | Quote: | | these leftie extremist groups |
(that is, the people protesting against the BNP) | Quote: | | are FUNDED by THE LABOUR PARTY |
You were asked for proof of that claim, and you have completely failed to show that the Labour Party as an organisation financially supports the UAF as an organisation, or any other "leftie extremist group" which protests against the BNP. |
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Ultra
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Dave Coull wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | | When was the poll tax in Scotland? Over a decade ago? Hardly relevent is it? |
YOU made it relevant when you sought to imply I follow the SWP (a party with which, as a matter of fact, I have very profound disagreements). I mentioned the anti-poll-tax campaign because, in that case, THEY ended up, reluctantly and late, following in MY footsteps. | Ultra wrote: | | I notice you cannot answer why prominent Labour MP's would feature as sponsors if they are not contributing in some way |
Yes I did: | Quote: | | Because the UAF group believe (even though I think they are wrong) that this will make other people more likely to support their organisation. |
That's the answer! | Ultra wrote: | | You also have not provided any evidence from anyone in the UAF or Labour Party |
Why should I? I'm not the one trying to prove something. YOU are. In a post you sent to this thread at 6.58pm on Saturday the 31st of October, with specific reference to those who protested at the BBC on Thursday 22nd October, you claimed that | Quote: | | these leftie extremist groups |
(that is, the people protesting against the BNP) | Quote: | | are FUNDED by THE LABOUR PARTY |
You were asked for proof of that claim, and you have completely failed to show that the Labour Party as an organisation financially supports the UAF as an organisation, or any other "leftie extremist group" which protests against the BNP. |
More spin than a washing machine |
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magister ludi
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I'm not inclined to worry very much about the BNP and their racist policies.
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It's not because I support their racism, far from it, it's just because I think they are an irrelevance; they are marginal and on the fringes of politics.
Nor am I inclined to give much time or thought to "organisations" that emerge to oppose the BNP. At best they too are an irrelevance. At worst however they are far from irrelevant because they form a necessary part of a focus of equating fascism with racism.
Fascism is far more than racism. It's also far more than a "leader cult".
Fascism is about economics: it's about control of resources, its about control of wealth, its about control of labour.
Now, here's the paranoid "tin foil hat" bit: they (that is the real fascists) are quite happy to perpetuate the diversionary smokescreen of an apparent opposition to fascism as long as that opposition is restricted or largely focused on race issues, colour, immigration and of course on a demonised hate figure.
If you define fascism in economic terms ( here's one extended definition to kick things off.... http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html), I think you'll understand ( although perhaps not agree with) my position. |
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Fidget
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| magister ludi wrote: |
Now, here's the paranoid "tin foil hat" bit: they (that is the real fascists) are quite happy to perpetuate the diversionary smokescreen of an apparent opposition to fascism as long as that opposition is restricted or largely focused on race issues, colour, immigration and of course on a demonised hate figure. |
Now that, aptly sums up the BNP protestors at the BBC the other week when Griffin was on QT. |
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Rinty
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Of course, Ludi, there are organisations that are racist but not fascist, I dont think the BNP are one of those, their whole ideology is fascist from any definition that I can see.
As for the other debate I have probably more experience of the SWP than most. They are at the fore-front of UAF and it is 'run' by SWP members in many areas. Other groups, most notably the unions outside of the Labour Party such as PCS, RMT etc, are prominent and some brances and parts of other parties. But UAF are NOT funded by the Labour Party and the SWP are not allies of the Labour Party.
As for this BNP myth of 'bussing people in' which is also used by some of the SWPs opponents on the left, it is a nonsense.
What they do is oprganise busses to big national demos, they advertise this and people, SWP members or not, PAY to take these busses to and from demos.
In Scotland this will only happen, usually, when it is what the SWP call 'national' demos (i.e. UK national or London demos). They are the main people who do this in Scotland as most of the Scotish left consider the equivalent demo up here to be the 'national' demo.
But there is no rent-a-mob and no paying people to go. There is no 'bussing in' as a tactic, just as a covenient way of people travelling to a demo together and sharing costs. |
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Ultra
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| Rinty wrote: | Of course, Ludi, there are organisations that are racist but not fascist, I dont think the BNP are one of those, their whole ideology is fascist from any definition that I can see.
As for the other debate I have probably more experience of the SWP than most. They are at the fore-front of UAF and it is 'run' by SWP members in many areas. Other groups, most notably the unions outside of the Labour Party such as PCS, RMT etc, are prominent and some brances and parts of other parties. But UAF are NOT funded by the Labour Party and the SWP are not allies of the Labour Party.
As for this BNP myth of 'bussing people in' which is also used by some of the SWPs opponents on the left, it is a nonsense.
What they do is oprganise busses to big national demos, they advertise this and people, SWP members or not, PAY to take these busses to and from demos.
In Scotland this will only happen, usually, when it is what the SWP call 'national' demos (i.e. UK national or London demos). They are the main people who do this in Scotland as most of the Scotish left consider the equivalent demo up here to be the 'national' demo.
But there is no rent-a-mob and no paying people to go. There is no 'bussing in' as a tactic, just as a covenient way of people travelling to a demo together and sharing costs. |
So whats the difference between organizing buses to demo's and bussing people into demo's Rinty?
Interesting as well that nobody has mentioned anything about paying people to attend demos or bussing in was any sort of tactic. |
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landg
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my feeling was that 'rentamob' was more of a state of mind. there are half-wits, to the left and right in terms of their views that just find just about anything objectionable and thus lets make it 'demonstratable'.
probably more of a student thing where you are immature, misguided and don't really know the world or your place in it but god don't you just love a good demo to help you define yourself. all part of growing up i suppose.
never fell for it myse;f mind you. |
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Dave Coull
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| magister ludi wrote: | | Fascism is far more than racism. It's also far more than a "leader cult". |
True, it's not JUST racism, and true, it's not JUST a "leader cult". Nevertheless, historically speaking, if we consider the origins of fascism (Mussolini's fascisti, Mosely's British Union of Fascists, Hitler's NSDAP etc) it is undeniable that both racism and a "leader cult" are bound up with fascism. | magister ludi wrote: | | Fascism is about economics |
Fascism certainly has both an economic basis and an economic purpose, but the fascist approach to economics is inextricably bound up with both racist attitudes and a "leader cult". | magister ludi wrote: | | If you define fascism in economic terms |
It is certainly very useful to consider fascism in economic terms, but I don't think you can "define" fascism in exclusively economic terms. | magister ludi wrote: | | here's one extended definition |
I have carefully read the link you gave to the "Library of Economics and Liberty". It has some interesting things to say, but I would say it's a "contribution" to the subject, rather than a "definition". The author, the unfortunately named S. RichMan, is a staunch defender of free market capitalism, and an opponent of all government "interference", who sees attempts at health reforms by President Obama, for example, as verging on fascism. Well, maybe. His article has to be read as a political statement from a particular point of view, rather than a "definition".
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