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landg
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| mairead wrote: | | Well put, Holebender and Dave. |
so you think smeaton is well suited to far right groups?
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Holebender
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I think he's letting himself be used by them, but that doesn't reflect well on his judgement.
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landg
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| Holebender wrote: | | I think he's letting himself be used by them, but that doesn't reflect well on his judgement. |
no, do you think smeaton is a right wing extremist?
thats what was alluded to on this daft thred. |
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Aventinian
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| Holebender wrote: | | Think of political movements which are largely the construct of a single man who is the leader of that movement. What are you thinking of? Fascist parties, maybe? Marxism, possibly, although Marxist movements take the name of an individual rather than being led by him. Now, imagine if one man decided to found a political movement and name it after himself. Wouldn't that set off any alarm bells? |
The Jury Team is not remotely fascist.
| Quote: | | Anyone, like Smeaton, who is prepared to follow a powerful leader and fall in behind him is a bit suspect in my book. |
Or, presumably, like any member of the SNP then? |
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Holebender
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:18 am Post subject: |
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That would only be remotely possible if the SNP were the cult of Alex Salmond, which it clearly is not.
The Jury Team, on the other hand, only exists because a vain multimillionaire thought it would be a jolly good wheeze to set up his own political party and call it Jury because his own name is Judge. The term "judge and jury" always puts the judge first, and the jury falls into line behind the judge. The jury is, after all, directed by the judge.
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mairead
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I don't think even Smeaton actually knows what he is, and he is just grasping at another means to keep his name in the limelight.
He obviously still sees himself as some sort of celebrity instead of a misguided and manipulated fool. It's one thing to act tough shout abuse at a person, especeially when the person is down on the ground and burning, anyone could achieve that, but not everyone can become a politician and someone should point that out to him. He's a plonker with a huge ego.
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landg
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| mairead wrote: | I don't think even Smeaton actually knows what he is, and he is just grasping at another means to keep his name in the limelight.
He obviously still sees himself as some sort of celebrity instead of a misguided and manipulated fool. It's one thing to act tough shout abuse at a person, especeially when the person is down on the ground and burning, anyone could achieve that, but not everyone can become a politician and someone should point that out to him. He's a plonker with a huge ego. |
but do you think he is a right wing extremist?
'person' down on the ground burning.
IT was a lunatic attemmpting to murder on a massive scale in our country.a fuckwit. a bigot. a hatefilled islamofacist.
thankfully there are johm smeatons out there who are willing to risk life and limb for others. |
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Aventinian
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| Holebender wrote: | | That would only be remotely possible if the SNP were the cult of Alex Salmond, which it clearly is not. |
It's certainly a bit of a one man band. However, neither is the Jury Team a cult - indeed, John Smeaton is enormously higher-profile than this Judge fellow.
| Quote: | | The term "judge and jury" always puts the judge first, and the jury falls into line behind the judge. The jury is, after all, directed by the judge. |
I don't know where you learned about the judiciary, but that's not remotely what happens. In a trial, the judge is master of the law whilst the jury are the masters of the facts - the two functions are separate. The judge directs on matters of law, not of fact.
The Jury Team - or at least the principles they claim, since they've done very little thus far - are the most decentralised party in the UK. Indeed, it's questionable whether they can ever be described as a political party in the conventional sense.
| mairead wrote: | I don't think even Smeaton actually knows what he is, and he is just grasping at another means to keep his name in the limelight.
He obviously still sees himself as some sort of celebrity instead of a misguided and manipulated fool. It's one thing to act tough shout abuse at a person, especeially when the person is down on the ground and burning, anyone could achieve that, but not everyone can become a politician and someone should point that out to him. He's a plonker with a huge ego. |
I commend him for his actions during the Glasgow airport terrorist attacks, and if he truly believes he can use his public profile and status to change this country for the better then I cannot fault him for it.
Your good chum Alex was certainly quick enough to try and bask in Smeaton's reflected glory - as was the Prime Minister. |
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mairead
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His actions on that occasion were to run in and sink the boot in when the man was already down and well on fire as a video at the time clearly showed. It was his Big Gob that the press latched onto.
Other people were involved in actually taking the terrorist down but got little credit for their bravery.
What appalls me most about this little man, is that he happily accepted all the accolades which should have gone elsewhere, and all because of a few loutish comments.
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landg
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| mairead wrote: | His actions on that occasion were to run in and sink the boot in when the man was already down and well on fire as a video at the time clearly showed. It was his Big Gob that the press latched onto.
Other people were involved in actually taking the terrorist down but got little credit for their bravery.
What appalls me most about this little man, is that he happily accepted all the accolades which should have gone elsewhere, and all because of a few loutish comments. |
well i'd rather jihm smeaton was on my side than you. you make out the would be mass killer is some kind of victim. |
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Aventinian
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| mairead wrote: | | His actions on that occasion were to run in and sink the boot in when the man was already down and well on fire as a video at the time clearly showed. |
I have never seen such a video. |
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Dave Coull
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A political party is an organisation which seeks to achieve government office for some of its members, whether this be at local, regional, national, or international level. The Jury Team is a political party. A multi-millionaire with the surname "Judge" formed a political party with the name "Jury". Judge and Jury sounds a bit dodgy to me. ALL of the policies of this political party were decided by Paul Judge, and all of their candidates are expected to sign up to and uphold these policies, including John Smeaton. | landg wrote: | | do you think he is a right wing extremist? |
Not as far as I know. I think Smeaton is being used as a puppet. | landg wrote: | | IT was a lunatic attemmpting to murder on a massive scale |
True, but it was also a man far too preoccupied with the fact that he was burning to death to any longer present much of a threat. | landg wrote: | | thankfully there are johm smeatons out there who are willing to risk life and limb |
There were certainly Glasgow citizens at the airport that day who risked life and limb, and some of them have condemned Smeaton for taking all of the credit while having contributed nothing very much. | landg wrote: | | you make out the would be mass killer is some kind of victim |
Mairead did no such thing. She merely suggested | Quote: | | Other people were involved in actually taking the terrorist down but got little credit for their bravery. |
and that the media latched on to Smeaton because of his "big gob". |
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landg
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Dave Coull wrote: | A political party is an organisation which seeks to achieve government office for some of its members, whether this be at local, regional, national, or international level. The Jury Team is a political party. A multi-millionaire with the surname "Judge" formed a political party with the name "Jury". Judge and Jury sounds a bit dodgy to me. ALL of the policies of this political party were decided by Paul Judge, and all of their candidates are expected to sign up to and uphold these policies, including John Smeaton. | landg wrote: | | do you think he is a right wing extremist? |
Not as far as I know. I think Smeaton is being used as a puppet. | landg wrote: | | IT was a lunatic attemmpting to murder on a massive scale |
True, but it was also a man far too preoccupied with the fact that he was burning to death to any longer present much of a threat. | landg wrote: | | thankfully there are johm smeatons out there who are willing to risk life and limb |
There were certainly Glasgow citizens at the airport that day who risked life and limb, and some of them have condemned Smeaton for taking all of the credit while having contributed nothing very much. | landg wrote: | | you make out the would be mass killer is some kind of victim |
Mairead did no such thing. She merely suggested | Quote: | | Other people were involved in actually taking the terrorist down but got little credit for their bravery. |
and that the media latched on to Smeaton because of his "big gob". |
a man in flames trying bust open gas cannisters is not a threat?
even suggesting that an islamofacist trying to blow up glasgow airport as some kind of victim is stomach churning.
smeaton is a hero. an everyday hero. |
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| landg wrote: | | you make out the would be mass killer is some kind of victim |
Mairead did no such thing. She merely suggested | Quote: | | Other people were involved in actually taking the terrorist down but got little credit for their bravery. |
| landg wrote: | | even suggesting that an islamofacist trying to blow up glasgow airport as some kind of victim is stomach churning. |
Neither Mairead nor anybody else here on this forum has suggested any such thing. What HAS been suggested is the same thing some of the real heroes who stopped that "islamofacist" attack suggested: that John Smeaton exaggerated his own part in stopping the attack. | landg wrote: | | smeaton is a hero |
But not to some of the folk who stopped the Glasgow airport attack. |
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landg
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| Dave Coull wrote: | | landg wrote: | | you make out the would be mass killer is some kind of victim |
Mairead did no such thing. She merely suggested | Quote: | | Other people were involved in actually taking the terrorist down but got little credit for their bravery. |
| landg wrote: | | even suggesting that an islamofacist trying to blow up glasgow airport as some kind of victim is stomach churning. |
Neither Mairead nor anybody else here on this forum has suggested any such thing. What HAS been suggested is the same thing some of the real heroes who stopped that "islamofacist" attack suggested: that John Smeaton exaggerated his own part in stopping the attack. | landg wrote: | | smeaton is a hero |
But not to some of the folk who stopped the Glasgow airport attack. |
wavey, you've just said that m suggested the terrorist was a victim and you then say that no-one has suggested the terrorist is a victim.
i know your tighjt with the notw but tabloidesque writing is rubbish. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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OK, imagine the rest of us are really thick and point out to us the words Dave used to suggest the terrorist was a victim. I'm afraid I'm having trouble finding them, and it would pain me terribly to think that you have some sort of problem with comprehension.
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| landg wrote: | | you've just said that m suggested the terrorist was a victim |
Unlike you, I quote the exact words people say. What I "just said that m suggested" was | Quote: | | Other people were involved in actually taking the terrorist down but got little credit for their bravery. |
In what way is Mairead suggesting other people were involved in "taking the terrorist down" making that terrorist out to be a victim? |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | | OK, imagine the rest of us are really thick and point out to us the words Dave used to suggest the terrorist was a victim. I'm afraid I'm having trouble finding them, and it would pain me terribly to think that you have some sort of problem with comprehension. |
read the whole thread. i never said wavey said it, m suggested it, as wavey has already confirmed. |
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Holebender
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| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Come on landg, I can't see it so please point out the actual words for me.
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| Holebender wrote: | | Come on landg, I can't see it so please point out the actual words for me. |
| Mairead wrote: | | His actions on that occasion were to run in and sink the boot in when the man was already down and well on fire as a video at the time clearly showed. |
Ever heard the saying 'kicking a man when he is down' Holebender?
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