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Stevie
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Your nitpicking is simply that.
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Fidget
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| see! Still you point blank refuse to see anything else other than that it must be me nitpicking. Most Scotch Nats are like that. I don't hold it against them. |
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Stevie
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Your idea of a politician is Gordon Brown or David Cameron.
Two examples of the definition of average.
The only reason D Cam looks good is because GB is so bad.
D Cam's ideas are the same as GB's (a bit better but who wouldn't be). D Cam is hardly radically better than GB and that's all you need to say about him.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Stevie wrote: | Your idea of a politician is Gordon Brown or David Cameron.
Two examples of the definition of average.
The only reason D Cam looks good is because GB is so bad.
D Cam's ideas are the same as GB's (a bit better but who wouldn't be). D Cam is hardly radically better than GB and that's all you need to say about him. |
Then you have Salmond the one trick independence pony.  |
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Stevie
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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One trick is all most parties have at any one time.
Who's your one trick pony?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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I was just about to ask...
... What's any of that got to do with the SNP?
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Dave Coull
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Fidget wrote: | | I've just quoted you something from the SNP's own website |
What you quoted was Alex Salmond saying he "wanted" a referendum in 2010 | Fidget wrote: | | you refuse to believe it |
No I don't!
I think it's quite possible Alex Salmond wants a referendum in 2010!
| Fidget wrote: | | 2010 was what Salmond has his electorate believe, he hasn't delivered |
Of course he hasn't delivered! There's still a couple of months of 2009, and a whole 12 months of 2010 still to go! | Fidget wrote: | | now we've folk like you denying that 2010 was what he lead people to believe. |
Look, I say unto you again, O slow learner, I thought there should have been a referendum much sooner. I saw no reason not to have one in the early months of 2008, for instance. But although that was what I wanted, it wasn't what Alex Salmond wanted, and it wasn't what he promised. He promised a referendum "within the lifetime of this parliament". Since the Scottish parliament is elected for four years, and since he made that promise in 2007, that meant a referendum by 2011. But first he has to get the legislation through parliament. He says he intends to do that. If the legislation doesn't get passed, that won't be Alex Salmond's fault. His is a minority government after all. But it still remains to be seen if all of the MSPs belonging to the Labour, the LibDem, and the Tory parties will actually vote against a referendum. For instance, if half a dozen of them abstain, and four of them vote for the referendum legislation, and one of them has a sick note from his doctor, then the legislation passes, and we have a referendum in 2010. |
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Stevie
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Dave Coull wrote: | | Fidget wrote: | | I've just quoted you something from the SNP's own website |
What you quoted was Alex Salmond saying he "wanted" a referendum in 2010 | Fidget wrote: | | you refuse to believe it |
No I don't!
I think it's quite possible Alex Salmond wants a referendum in 2010!
| Fidget wrote: | | 2010 was what Salmond has his electorate believe, he hasn't delivered |
Of course he hasn't delivered! There's still a couple of months of 2009, and a whole 12 months of 2010 still to go! | Fidget wrote: | | now we've folk like you denying that 2010 was what he lead people to believe. |
Look, I say unto you again, O slow learner, I thought there should have been a referendum much sooner. I saw no reason not to have one in the early months of 2008, for instance. But although that was what I wanted, it wasn't what Alex Salmond wanted, and it wasn't what he promised. He promised a referendum "within the lifetime of this parliament". Since the Scottish parliament is elected for four years, and since he made that promise in 2007, that meant a referendum by 2011. But first he has to get the legislation through parliament. He says he intends to do that. If the legislation doesn't get passed, that won't be Alex Salmond's fault. His is a minority government after all. But it still remains to be seen if all of the MSPs belonging to the Labour, the LibDem, and the Tory parties will actually vote against a referendum. For instance, if half a dozen of them abstain, and four of them vote for the referendum legislation, and one of them has a sick note from his dcotor, then the legislation passes, and we have a referendum in 2010. |
So Dave if Salmond promised a referendum on Scottish independence and fails to deliver by 2011, that is just another one in a long line of broken promises the SNP trotted out to get elected.
It won't be anyone elses fault but Salmond's as he promised and failed to deliver. No point in blaming the other parties who campaign on a unionist stance.
The rest is all IF's, BUT's and MAYBE's. And clutching at straws. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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And the SNP want to cut public bodies and slash jobs by 25%.
Isn't the NHS a public body? |
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Stevie
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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The SNP doesn't want to do it but the Brits won't give us the money we need.
This will be well broadcast to the Scots, they know that already but they'll be reminded.
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Fidget
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Dave Coull wrote: | | Fidget wrote: | | I've just quoted you something from the SNP's own website |
What you quoted was Alex Salmond saying he "wanted" a referendum in 2010 | Fidget wrote: | | you refuse to believe it |
No I don't!
I think it's quite possible Alex Salmond wants a referendum in 2010!
| Fidget wrote: | | 2010 was what Salmond has his electorate believe, he hasn't delivered |
Of course he hasn't delivered! There's still a couple of months of 2009, and a whole 12 months of 2010 still to go! | Fidget wrote: | | now we've folk like you denying that 2010 was what he lead people to believe. |
Look, I say unto you again, O slow learner, I thought there should have been a referendum much sooner. I saw no reason not to have one in the early months of 2008, for instance. But although that was what I wanted, it wasn't what Alex Salmond wanted, and it wasn't what he promised. He promised a referendum "within the lifetime of this parliament". Since the Scottish parliament is elected for four years, and since he made that promise in 2007, that meant a referendum by 2011. But first he has to get the legislation through parliament. He says he intends to do that. If the legislation doesn't get passed, that won't be Alex Salmond's fault. His is a minority government after all. But it still remains to be seen if all of the MSPs belonging to the Labour, the LibDem, and the Tory parties will actually vote against a referendum. For instance, if half a dozen of them abstain, and four of them vote for the referendum legislation, and one of them has a sick note from his doctor, then the legislation passes, and we have a referendum in 2010. |
Hey, dress this up in any way you wish to, but, 2010 was the year rolling off the SNP's tongue for a referendum on an Indpendent Scotland. Not 2008, not 2009, not 2011. 2010 was their year.
I do like this though that you said:
| Dave Coull wrote: | | I saw no reason not to have one in the early months of 2008, for instance. But although that was what I wanted, it wasn't what Alex Salmond wanted |
Quite. And he doesn't want one in 2010 either. Why not? You know as well as he does - he won't win it.  |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Stevie wrote: | The SNP doesn't want to do it but the Brits won't give us the money we need.
This will be well broadcast to the Scots, they know that already but they'll be reminded. |
How long do you think it will be before Scottish voters get tired of hearing how it's the Brits fault coming from the SNP
The SNP have blown it's budgets in the first 2 years of Government and borrowed even more out of future years budgets. The is the real truth and why the treasury refused to give the Scottish Government any more money.
Who are the SNP going to blame if they ever do gain independence and blow the budget and have no Brits fall back? |
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Stevie
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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They'll hear it as many times as is necessary because it's true.
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Fidget
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Ultra wrote: | | Stevie wrote: | The SNP doesn't want to do it but the Brits won't give us the money we need.
This will be well broadcast to the Scots, they know that already but they'll be reminded. |
How long do you think it will be before Scottish voters get tired of hearing how it's the Brits fault coming from the SNP
The SNP have blown it's budgets in the first 2 years of Government and borrowed even more out of future years budgets. The is the real truth and why the treasury refused to give the Scottish Government any more money.
Who are the SNP going to blame if they ever do gain independence and blow the budget and have no Brits fall back? |
"no oor fault" is wearing very thin, isn't it? You mark my words though, if the day comes when it's all down to a Scottish Government it'll still somehow all be Westminster's fault if anything goes wrong. Scottish bods of authority simply aren't used to facing up to and accepting responsibility.. they've always had Westminster to blame, so.. it'll all still be Westminster's fault by hook or by crook. |
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Stevie
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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And when D Cam starts slashing money to Scotland then the Tory vote will crumble in Scotland.
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Fidget
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| What Tory vote in Scotland do you speak of? |
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Stevie
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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The Tories I believe will have an upswing but then they'll suffer as the gimmick of D Cam wears off and the spending cuts arrive.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Stevie wrote: | | And when D Cam starts slashing money to Scotland then the Tory vote will crumble in Scotland. |
Ha ha. What tory vote in Scotland?
The tories have very few votes in Scotland. More chance of folk voting BNP.
What you mean is when the SNP get to the end of their term and have delivered very few of their election pledges they promised including an independence referendum, the old blame westminister Government ploy will come into play.
The SNP have done this since they were elected to the minority Government. So it's nothing new. |
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Stevie
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Labour is about to be demolished in the UK elections, they'll suffer in the Scottish elections a year later.
They are already in disarray : you are boasting about... what ?
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