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Ultra
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| Stevie wrote: | Oh dear you have a consecutive running order dyslexia.
I posted before landg, he responded to me.
But more importantly, it shows that you think you can protect landg from the big bad terrible Stevie.
Well, having seen your inability to comprehend some simple science in this thread, you can't. |
What simple science Stevie? Please give us the benefit of your wisdom instead of deflecting and debying the facts published.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Read the article that states the available techniques for the extraction of crude oil and then consign your 'IF'S, BUTS and COULD' to the bin.
The article is hardy complicated, it doesn't even require much (if any) scientific understanding to understand.
Then you'll realize what a dumb question you just asked.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Stevie wrote: | Read the article that states the available techniques for the extraction of crude oil and then consign your 'IF'S, BUTS and COULD' to the bin.
The article is hardy complicated, it doesn't even require much (if any) scientific understanding to understand.
Then you'll realize what a dumb question you just asked. |
I posted a link to the current Scottish Government report on oil production which has been declining for years and years and shows no signs of stopping.
I asked you to tell us about the available technologies and science used. Not the article. You claim to know about it. So let's have it?
It's hardly dumb quoting facts from Government reports. Oh I see. We are back on to people being 'too stupid' to understand when they do not agreed with you.
You are just another ex-pat nationalist hypocrite who complains when unionists use the 'too small, too poor, too stupid' argument which you use yourself. Another point proved. |
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The article is about current technologies, and shows how things have changed over the past several decades. There is also some information on technologies which are being developed right now and which will improve production in future. There are no ifs or maybes.
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Ultra
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | | The article is about current technologies, and shows how things have changed over the past several decades. There is also some information on technologies which are being developed right now and which will improve production in future. There are no ifs or maybes. |
If technologies are at the devolpment stage, how do you know they will improve production if they are still being developed? Sounds like a if or maybe to me.
How do you know that the companies might decided that the cost of production is too expensive and drop the technology?
Or that other oil/gas fields in other global locations are more cost effective and investment is transferred away from Scotland?
See all the IF's, BUT's and MAYBE's? |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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I sincerely hope they do drop the search for oil and we stop burning the stuff for the sake of the planet, however, as long as there is profit in oil they will extract it using all the methods highlighted in the article.
I would like to say that Scotland could become self sufficient in renewable energy resources : hydroelectric, wind, geothermal. This is a future that interests me, not arguing over the value of oil.
The more honest discussion is: we can say we believe in an economically prosperous Scotland, you'll argue against it.
Then curiously on another thread you'll accuse the nationalists of saying that it's you saying we can't go it alone.
Well...
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Ultra
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Stevie wrote: | I sincerely hope they do drop the search for oil and we stop burning the stuff for the sake of the planet, however, as long as there is profit in oil they will extract it using all the methods highlighted in the article.
I would like to say that Scotland could become self sufficient in renewable energy resources : hydroelectric, wind, geothermal. This is a future that interests me, not arguing over the value of oil.
The more honest discussion is: we can say we believe in an economically prosperous Scotland, you'll argue against it.
Then curiously on another thread you'll accuse the nationalists of saying that it's you saying we can't go it alone.
Well... |
More garbage.
The French own the majority nuclear power plants in the UK. So it's not like they will be looking to close them down anytime soon.
Scotland is not self sufficient in renewable energies. It makes up such a small proportion of the countries energy needs compared to gas, oil, and nuclear.
You can say you believe in an economical viable Scotland. However, you have to provide some sort of evidence to back up why you think this is so. Or provide some sort of idea of how you paln to attract compnaies to Scotland so it prospers. Not just come up with IF's, BUT's, and MAYBE's and hope for the best.
Please feel free to post up the other thread and the correct context my comments are being used in. Or is this just another defelction? |
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The only ifs buts and maybes are coming from you, Ultra, which proves you haven't read the article or even my precis of it.
The article is mainly about the history of the development of existing fields. These are things which have already been done. There is also a little about future developments, but you can ignore those if you like. The article also explains what is meant by recoverable reserves and shows that this number goes up and down with the price of crude. As the long term trend is of increasing prices, the recoverable reserves are also increasing. There is no need for any new technology for that to be true.
In short, the end of the oil industry has been predicted before and it is nowhere near happening yet.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not deflecting in the slightest.
I speak very plainly.
Scotland has :
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enough high ground, rain to build hydroelectric dams.
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enough coastline to make wave energy viable.
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enough wind to develop offshore wind power
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enough available land to develop geothermal energy
WE DON'T WANT nuclear power stations which cost a fortune to decommission and run the risk of being attacked by terrorists.
Energy is king.
Developing new and current industries with our own government is vital and will not be done unless Scotland is independent.
Controlling our own financial institutions so that they don't destroy our economy is only possible with a sovereign government.
None of this interests you because you're a Brit Nat.
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| Holebender wrote: | The only ifs buts and maybes are coming from you, Ultra, which proves you haven't read the article or even my precis of it.
The article is mainly about the history of the development of existing fields. These are things which have already been done. There is also a little about future developments, but you can ignore those if you like. The article also explains what is meant by recoverable reserves and shows that this number goes up and down with the price of crude. As the long term trend is of increasing prices, the recoverable reserves are also increasing. There is no need for any new technology for that to be true.
In short, the end of the oil industry has been predicted before and it is nowhere near happening yet. |
Holebender, who is predicting the end of the oil industry? No me. I predict it will move to more cost effective sites like Angola.
I have explained how R&D works. Eg You mention technologies being developed. There is no guarantee that those idea will be cost effective or even work. They are ideas under development.
Production levels from official Government figures gather from oil companies show that North Sea oil production is in decline and has been for years. Are you disputing this?
You published up the article and claimed that the new technologies would boost North Sea oil production. By your own admission, there is little in the article about future devlopments in extracting difficult to reach oil. How come?
Production continues to fall? How come if we have all these new techonlogies for extracting difficult to reach oil.
I agree that the rise of oil prices as supply drops may make it more cost effective to extract difficult to reach oil. However, the big oil companies may just transfer oil production and investment to other easier to harvest oil fields in abroad.
There is still vast stocks of coal in Scotland. It's not cost effective to mine it or make a profit from it. So the pits have closed. |
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A new hydro project was announced today, the plans would see a scheme capable of producing six times the power generated by the recently opened Glendoe project. Full plans expected 2011.
I tried to find a link but could not. I heard it on the Radio earlier on.
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Ultra
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| Stevie wrote: | I'm not deflecting in the slightest.
I speak very plainly.
Scotland has :
a)
enough high ground, rain to build hydroelectric dams.
b)
enough coastline to make wave energy viable.
c)
enough wind to develop offshore wind power
d)
enough available land to develop geothermal energy
WE DON'T WANT nuclear power stations which cost a fortune to decommission and run the risk of being attacked by terrorists.
Energy is king.
Developing new and current industries with our own government is vital and will not be done unless Scotland is independent.
Controlling our own financial institutions so that they don't destroy our economy is only possible with a sovereign government.
None of this interests you because you're a Brit Nat. |
Why would developments in wind power not interest me when the global company I work for have decided this would be a new market worth exploring and they have a massive manufacturing facility in Scotland?
Least I can sow that idea of using the Scottish plant and environment in Scotland to the directors as an option. What can you do?
Why don't you ask the SNP Government if they intend to build any more power plants or develop wind farms, wave farms, and dams?
The reason is they do not have the money to do this.
So in conclusion, Scotland is stuck with gas, oil, and nuclear for decades to come. Scotland does not have enough capacity and technologies to produce enough green energy to supply Scotland's needs. |
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| Ultra wrote: | | So in conclusion, Scotland is stuck with gas, oil, and nuclear for decades to come. Scotland does not have enough capacity and technologies to produce enough green energy to supply Scotland's needs. |
Spoken like the negative Brit Nat would speak.
Your agenda is what it is.
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| Stevie wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | | So in conclusion, Scotland is stuck with gas, oil, and nuclear for decades to come. Scotland does not have enough capacity and technologies to produce enough green energy to supply Scotland's needs. |
Spoken like the negative Brit Nat would speak.
Your agenda is what it is. |
It's fact. Scotland doesn't doesn't have the ability, technology, or capability to generate enough green energy to supply the whole of Scotland currently.
If you are saying this is not true then provide some evidence please?
Or is this just another topic you know nothing about? |
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| Ultra wrote: |
It's fact. Scotland doesn't doesn't have the ability, technology, or capability to generate enough green energy to supply the whole of Scotland currently.
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Think about investing in Scotland for a change instead of your usual 'can't be done' philosophy.
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| Stevie wrote: | | Ultra wrote: |
It's fact. Scotland doesn't doesn't have the ability, technology, or capability to generate enough green energy to supply the whole of Scotland currently.
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Think about investing in Scotland for a change instead of your usual 'can't be done' philosophy. |
Please post up where I have said it cannot be done Stevie?
Isn't it more truthfully to say that I indeed said my company, who are a world wide multinational, are focusing on ways to enter the wind power market, develop new technologies, and have a massive manufacturing facility in Scotland?
Is it true or false Stevie that currently Scotland requires gas, oil, and nuclear power to supply the countries energy needs? |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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You couldn't care less if your company invested in Scotland or Eastern China, so long as it was more profitable.
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| Stevie wrote: | | You couldn't care less if your company invested in Scotland or Eastern China, so long as it was more profitable. |
I would rather work for a profitable company, my job be secure, and contribute to the Scottish economy with my salary and taxes than be a plastic Scot whining from afar. |
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You couldn't give a monkey's about Scotland as a nation. You are happier contributing your taxes to the British government, not the Scottish government.
'a plastic Scot'... again, I think I'm gong to cry.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Ultra wrote: | | I would rather work for a profitable company, my job be secure, and contribute to the Scottish economy with my salary and taxes than be a plastic Scot whining from afar. |
Does not sound like 'Brown's Britain' at all. Try it from 'afar', odds on you wont go back. Yet, you posted you now lived and worked in England?
Could you clarify please?
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