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Morph · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject:

Also although Bloody Sunday was a tragedy for all parties concerned and a very black day in British and irish history are you suggesting that this was an act of Army Brutality as oppossed to a grave misjudgement?
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parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

it clearly was army brutality, wither it was a grave misjudgement or not i fail to see your point. around this time british soldiers arriving in the 06 were actually being handled a fictional ira green book with all sorts of british created non-sense contained in it, most noteable authors on the situation in ireland will give you more details, why were the leaders of the british army doing this other than to encourage british ill feeling towards the nationalist community? no such book was ever invented for the uvf et al.

yes aventanian i have been present in ardoyne when the orange order has paraded through the area with the assistance of the psni/ruc and the british army, i have seen their actions towards the nationalist community.

i suppose you would have to get a psychiatrist or psychologist to answer your second point i am not qualified to do so, i only seen the facts that they did attack those iraqis and this type of behaviour has not been an isolated incident.
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Morph · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject:

i think the point Aventian is trying to make is that the British army will find it harder to do its job in Iraq due to the ill feeling created by this incident. Why would they consciously try to make this already hard job even worse by letting soldiers kick the s**t out of iraqi youth?
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Aventinian · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject:

RBK · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject:

Nina · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject:

RBK · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject:

Ach! Aye...that'll do fine Very Happy

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

rbk you have to put the incident you refer to into context, the funeral that those two soldiers drove into were for people who had been murdered just shortly before during michael stones attack on another funeral. they were enemy soldiers murdered by a force that does not have the capacity to detain or interrograte.

aventanian you will find reference to the british forged green book in tim pat coogans the ira or liz curtis's ireland: the propaganda war, those are just two off the top of my head that i can think of that refer to it i am sure there will be others. you also excuse those actions by saying that the uvf werent shooting soldiers, i thought that britains role was as a peacekeeping force at least thats what the british propaganda always tells us. lets also not forget that the ulster defence regiment was a part of the british army for a significant time untill their actions became too embarrassing for the british and had to be disbanded.

you should try being on the other side of the fence aventanian and you will be amazed to the lies that the british state will tell, the event i was reffering to i heard in reports that petrol bombs had "rained down" on the police, i didnt see one that day, and there was certainly no raining down of petrol bombs going on.

i will also try and find you a link for the video the siege of short strand. the short strand is a nationalist enclave in the east of belfast which is surrounded by around 30, 000 unionists to 3,000 nationalists. the video in question will show you loyalists firing catapaults into the short strand whilst the police sit a few yards away in their vans, one well known loyalists is even leaning in the window talking to the police at the same time.
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Morph · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:40 pm Post subject:

hasnt this strayed away from iraq?
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Nina · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject:

RBK · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject:

Nina · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject:

You want to see me puke?? Shocked

Joking!
Alright, I got it... thanks.
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parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

the two soldeirs were enemy troops in ireland, they knew that ira members would attack them hardly surprising then that when they drive into a republican funeral they are attacked. it becomes even less surprising when you add to this the fact that the funeral that day was for those who had been murdered during an attack on a previous funeral.
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Aventinian · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject:

Even some of the most rabid fenians out there would not agree with what you're coming out with Parkhead. I think there's a general consensus here that you're talking nonsense and no one really wants to hear it.

RBK · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject:

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

tough its my opinion, also i am not a fenian i am a republican thanks. i dont think you will find many republicans who disagree that british soldiers were legitimate targets though Confused

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Morph · Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:35 am Post subject:

Do you believe that Brittish soldiers are a legitimate target?
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parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

yes i believe that british troops were legitimate targets for republicans using a physical force campaign.
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Morph · Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject:

why if they were there as a a peacekeeping force. Not debating if they carried this out but this was their title, why were they legitimate targets? What about civillians were they legitimate targets because Omagh seems to suggest this
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