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RFM · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject:

Try again sandmountain;
You ought to look at the black history websites rather than the confederate propaganda. The 1st Regiment of the Louisiana Native Guards was formed September 27, 1862 under Major General David Hunter a Union Army officer. These were the first black soldiers to be officially mustered into the Union army. Its on Google at www.csusm.edu/Black_Excellence.
The same web site will also tell you that the 1st Regiment of Kansas Colored Volunteers, formed August 1862, was the fourth black regiment to enter the Union army.
Apparently you, like most of the southern propanganists are unaware that several of the southern states had regiments fighting for the Union, such as South Carolina, Texas, Tennessee and Virginia. Try again or just send me the $10.00.
RFM

P.S. Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimus exponebentur ad necem.

SLG · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject:

sandmountainslim · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:33 pm Post subject:

RFM · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:14 am Post subject:

I did post a reply, but for some reason it appears to have fallen off.
First, my deceitful friend, the 1st Regiment of the Louisiana Native Guards was formed on September 27, 1862, by Major General David Hunter, a Union Army officer. This particular black regiment has the distinction of being the first black regiment to be officially sworn into the Union army. You can find the details at www.csusa.edu/Black_Excellence. Apparently you, like other apologists for the confederacy, do not know that several of the southern states had units that fought for the Union against the confederacy, such as Texas, Tennesse, South Carolina, Kansas, Missouri etc. For instance the 1st Regiment of Kansas Colored Volunteers, organized August 1862, was the 4th black regiment to enter the Union army.
There was not to any person's knowledge a single black regiment in the confederacy. Who in their right mind would fight for a political cause that intended to enslave them?So you will have to do better than simply cutting and pasting silly articles from people who want to rewrite the history of the south. Provide a unit by designation, not by vague references. While you are at it you might want to look at the slaughter of the black Union troops at Vicksburg, by General Hooks. The confederacy not only couldn't find support among African Americans, they didn't even accord them the lawful rights of a prisoner of war. So keep trying if you like to come up with something that we can all verify or just donate my $10.00 to the Alabama NAACP.
RFM

PS> Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimus exponebentur ad necem.

RFM · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:51 am Post subject:

Apparently any falsehood is justified in the name of the good cause. Your geocities web site continues the deception.
It misquotes The Fremantle Diary about the black soldier who supposedly captured a union soldier, in a very blantant and obvious disregard for the text. The Fremantle Diary, Being the Jounal of Lieutenant Colonel Arthur James Lyon Freemantle, edited by Walter Lord, Burford Books, New Jersey (1954) in fact says at page 225, that General Longstreet saw a negro in full Yankee uniform with a rifle at full c**k,leading a barefooted white man, so he stopped them. The negro tells the general that "The two soldiers in charge of this here Yank have got drunk, so for fear he should escape I have took care of him and brought him through that little town". Fremantle, in a footnote on the same page says, " From what I have seen of the Southern Negroes, the Confederates could, if they chose, convert a great number into soldiers.***But I do not imagine such an experiment will be tried except as a very last resort". He goes on to say that this "little episode of a Southern Slave, leading a white Yankee soldier would not have been very gratifying to a Northern abolitionist". This from an English army officer who had joined the confederate forces as a neutral observer.
RFM[/u]

RFM · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:13 am Post subject:

To Mr. Abieuan;
As I thought I made clear when I entered this site, the issue is not liking or disliking the south. Indeed I have to say in all candor that I have met several excellent people, including at least one Uncle, all of whom I regard as some of the finest human beings I have ever met, all of whom readily would call themselves southerners. My quarrel is with those people who either out of a simple-minded sort of ignorance or malevolence try to rewrite the history of their country. It has never been entirely clear to me what the motives of such people might be, I usually assume they just don't know any better. Re-writing history, as the editor of Economist magazine noted, is a form of intellectual vandalism; it denies credit to those who deserve credit and it makes heros out of the villians. When Joseph Stalin did it he received the approbation of the world, it became a standing joke. It was shown as a grotesque parody of the truth. Shall we as Americans descend to the same level? Who are these ignoramuses who try to portray the greatest disaster this nation has ever known as some sort of noble cause, which even had it been successful would very likely never have endured. Secession was an issue as old as the constitutional convention of 1776. No state was forced to join, but all without exception perceived it to be in their own best interests to join the Union. Look at the history of Texas as an example.
So if you want to do the south, yourself and the entire country a great favor look honestly at the past, the good, the bad and the ugly.
RFM

sandmountainslim · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:14 am Post subject:

While you are on your "Diversity Rant" can you name one minority member of Lincoln's cabinet? Say someone equal in power to the Confederate Treasury Secretary Judah P Benjamin?
What about the Yankee Army order to shoot rather than take prisoner any Black in a CSA Uniform?
Along the same lines tell us a little of the love the Yankee Empire had for Native Americans, I know quite a few Cherokee who do not hold your rosy view of The Government of the Yankee Empire. Could it be that your government mistreated them in some way? Surely not! Indeed it IS the Government of the USA which is guilty of the attempted genocide of the Native Peoples, this is indeed a fine government which you worship!

Post Scriptum:
You have yet to tell us anything about Cicero, Illinois or the Black Exclusion Laws of your people nor have you made any serious attempt to pay the debt which you plainly owe to me.
Deo Vindice
WP
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sandmountainslim · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:24 am Post subject:

sandmountainslim · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:34 am Post subject:

RFM,
I am willing to invite you to join ScotWatch as an observer in an effort to help with your education, we have many learned patriots from both Alba and Dixie onboard whom I am sure wouldn't mind a bit helping you to "get yer head straight". Of course with observer status you would not be allowed to post anything, but somehow I believe that you can benefit more from listening rather than talking.
No need to thank me.
Deo Vindice
WP
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RFM · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:52 am Post subject:

Nobody argues that America is free of racism, North, South, East or West. But nobody but a demented fool would promote any form of government that sought to institutionalise slavery. That might well be you that I refer to Mr. Sandman or Mr. Vindices, whatever you wish to be called today, but since I don't want to put words in your mouth I will let you decide that. I am certain you will not disappoint me. Ab asino lanam.
If you go back and read my offer and maybe I presume too much on your abilities saying that, you will notice I asked you to name one African American regiment that fought on the confederate side. Instead you give me cut and paste clips from these inane southern sympathizer websites that are completely riddled with distortions and half-truths about the black soldiers in the war. But not one citation that could be checked I notice. Your cupidity however seems to exceed your ability to provide a simple one line piece of information. Instead you think mouthing the words "you are owe me $10 " will detract me from your rather embarrasing failure to simply put up or shut up.
I am not going to take the time to try to explain basic American political history to you or try to defend Abraham Lincoln. If you quarrel with the words that our forefathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, dedicated to the principle that all men are created equal, you Sir have a problem, and its not exactly one your wife or best friend could explain to you. When I travel in the south I have always noticed that it is some lowlife with a beatup pickup truck flying the Ceceil B. DeMille version of the confederate flag that is speeding down the highway. I am surprised you haven't noticed that too. Or maybe you are one of the people in the pickup truck. So get a life and try to find something other than screwball outdated ideas that 10 and 13 year old boys find romantic. You might like it.
RFM

sandmountainslim · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:24 am Post subject:

A true Yankee Imperialist to the core Laughing

I suppose when your "facts" are challenged the only alternative left is to attempt to insult?
You do not pay your debts
You will not address the issues at hand
How can one take you seriously?

Some more info on Black Confederate Soldiers, written by a BLACK man, Dr Walter E Williams. Do you consider him a racist and liar also?
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/ec...ticles/00/black_confederates.html
I am sorry that I do not buy the "official" history of the Yankee Regime which you take as the gospel. You have much more in common with Bush than you can imagine, Blind Patriotism to The Union despite the facts.
Deo Vindice
WP

Post Scriptum:
I am still awaiting your explanation for Cicero etc.
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Confedgrand · On A Journey (500 Miles) Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 30

Apparently this yankee is unaware of the four union slave states that existed during the war of northern aggression. Or that seven of the thirteen southern states were phasing out slavery by the beginning of the war. He is a typical yankee liar. But that's redundant. All yankees are liars. The only good yankee is a dead yankee until the south has been freed. This piece of northern trash obviously isn't even aware of the over ten thousand free negro troops that fought for the confederacy. Or the thousands of indians, or chinese or filipinos! Nor is he aware that two hundred and fifty THOUSAND free negroes owned negro slaves themselves. Both in the north and the south. He probably supports the windsor cult as well. It is amazing what filth this country is full of! The palestinians weren't the only ones cheering when terrorists destroyed the wtc. The yankees got what they deserved!

Leathlaobhair · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:13 am Post subject:

sandmountainslim · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:19 am Post subject:

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Leathlaobhair · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:39 am Post subject:

sandmountainslim · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:46 am Post subject:

I do not live in Louisiana and if you understood the Southern Cause you would understand that the politics of one state will not affect the others as each will be independent, bound together only by a loose confederation (as was the intent of Jefferson etc.) Besides the "crooked Southern Politician" idea is a mere stereotype fostered by Hollywood, you will find as many such goings on in Yankeeland as anywhere on earth (A famous mayor of Chicago and his political machine anyone?).
Deo Vindice
WP
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sandmountainslim · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:02 am Post subject:

There is a huge misunderstanding of the Confederate Cause among Yanks and some in other nations, we do NOT want to create a new nation with a powerful central government, we already have that with the Yankee Empire, we call for local government control and as stated before a loose confederation with a federal government which acts only in matters of defense and foreign trade, each state would be on its own with domestic issues. As for the poverty issue which Yanks gleefully mention at every turn, that depends on where you go in Dixie, there are parts of South Alabama and Mississippi among other places which have high unemployment and are very like third world nations, however other places such as Northern Alabama, where I live are as industrialized and self sufficient as any place on earth, we have the Space Industry, automobile manufacturing plants, the steel industry etc. It is not like you see on bad television shows. Lumping us all together as poor white trash is no different than the English saying the Scots are a group of lazy welfare cases who have sponged off of English achievements for the past 300 years (and there are Bastards who say that).
Deo Vindice
WP
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McClete · Guest

i do believe there is no appealling to this gentleman. there is no doubt he is educated, has supported his views with plenty of references, and seems to be very happily sucking on the opium pipe of 'comfort zone' defense.
yet, i feel the strongest compulsion to arrive there, and steal every cow that stands on four legs!!!
'this we'll defend!'

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SLG · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:58 am Post subject: