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True Scotsman · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: Dublin Protest

There has been there has been a lot of protest going on in Dublin about the Love Ulster March.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0225/loyalist.html

SLG · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject:

Here's some pictures:

http://www.creativeireland.com/forum/ubb/Forum7/HTML/008122.html

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

first of all it should be noted that o'connel street was already under major construction so that is why those pics look so bad.

i found it dissapointing the way in which many reacted to the march for me the best way would have been to ignore and mock those taking part as their website shows that they are more to be pitied than scorned. apparently human rights lawyer pat finucane who was murdered in collusion with the british state was a leading member of the ira, no evidence offered just on a we say so basis you understand.
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Aventinian · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject:

I hope this calls into question the popular myth that there is no sectarianism/racism in Southern Ireland. The government would rather sweep it under the carpet than acknowledge it.

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

it was not sectarianism it was a protest against a sectarian organisation, if blacks riot against the kkk march does that make them racist or anti racist?

i do not agree with the protests but to label them sectarian is lazy stereotyping.
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azzuri · 'Our Scotland' Fossil Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 3773

To be fair - this was Republicans who bussed (is that a verb?) into Dublin from the North who caused the trouble - not the Dubliners themselves. People in Dublin couldn't really care and looked on in bemusement more than anything else. You'd be hard pushed outside the Dáil to find any Dubliners who care enough about this to enough complain, never mind riot.

Those in the South are far more worried about grown-up issues such as huge immigration numbers than the tribal rioting.

I can't wait until these people from Northern Ireland start travelling outside its' borders regularly and realise that most people really don't care either way.

Northern Ireland exporting its' troubles to other countries...........never. Smile

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parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

i disagree rs the british exported troubles to ireland, if we were closer to iraq, palestine etc we would also see the consequences of british actions played out in scotlands streets the way we do in many ways with the irish situation.

but where is your evidence that they were bussed down? provisional sinn fein, who are by far the largest republican movement, did not support any form of protest. Republican Sinn Fein a much smaller organisation did and their southern branches were involved in organising a protest, i am not aware of them busing folk down and if they did there would hardly be large numbers coming from the six counties given the size of the organisation.

also you should be aware that sinn feins vote share has risen dramatically in the 26 counties in recent times so i think that it belies the facts for you to say that people in the south are not interested in events in the north as well as both other major parties in the south claiming to be republican.
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azzuri · 'Our Scotland' Fossil Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 3773

I'm not talking about those willing to vote for unification.

I'm talking about those willing to riot. Few and far between in Dublin.
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RBK · Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:14 pm Post subject:

I see some were shifting the blame already...

Orange march sparks Dublin riots

Henry McDonald, Ireland editor in Dublin
Sunday February 26, 2006
The Observer

Firstly it wasn't Orange. Secondly there was no march. But as usual,in the end, unionists will get the blame. Confused

Its par for the course Sad

Rinty · Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject: j

SLG · Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:00 pm Post subject:

Have the Orange Order not also made threats to 'take up arms' here when Scotland becomes Independent?

azzuri · 'Our Scotland' Fossil Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 3773

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74528

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

RBK · Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:16 pm Post subject:

It seems unfair to use Orange all the time,when the O.O. is not involved. It would be the same as calling a Nationalist/Republican riot.....a Hibernian riot.

'Hibernian March sparks riot' This is what goes out all the time and the O.O.is lumbered with it. Even though they nothing to do with it.

Its an easy and convenient way to label a whole people and an organisation.

I seen a wee article in the paper that touches on this. I'll see if I can find it.

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

were orange order bands not taking part? or was it loyalist bands?
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RBK · Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject:

They are loyalist bands. Very very few bands I would say that are connected to the O.O. They are all free agents who are hired by the O.O. and paid a fee. Much as you would hire a band for a wedding 'do' .

There may be the odd one out in the country who are connected with a lodge. I don't know. But none at all in Belfast.

Morph · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:12 am Post subject:

If the bands are highered is that not worse because they are adding to the problem for money not for belief, you can excuse a man for his belief if he cant help it but not just for money
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RBK · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject:

[quote="Morph"]If the bands are highered is that not worse because they are adding to the problem for money not for belief, you can excuse a man for his belief if he cant help it but not just for money[/quote

Just the way it works in Ulster. I think it is different in Scotland and England.

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

no its the same in scotland.
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