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Blackleaf · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: Celtic imperialism.

The Guardian.
Monday 24th April 2006

St George is Cross - English Parliament

St George.

The English are the subjects of Celtic imperialism, and very soon they are going to wake up to this fact.

I bet most people reading this blog didn't much care that it was St George's Day yesterday. Unlike the Scots, the Welsh, and especially the Irish, who proudly celebrate their national day, the English are largely oblivious to April 23. While Celts take great delight from wrapping themselves in their national flags, English people aren't even always sure which one is theirs. Is it the union jack, they wonder vaguely, or the St George's cross?

I think this is because most of us feel it's a bit unnecessary to make a song and dance about being English. After all, don't "we" run the kingdom? This assumption is so widespread, you seldom even hear it spelt out. The English just take it for granted. As I will show, however, nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, we don't even run England. We have sleepwalked into a democratic muddle that leaves England not dominating its Scottish and Welsh neighbours, but actually under their rule.

The Scots have their own parliament. The Welsh have their national assembly. But the English have only Westminster - where Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs wield over 100 crucial votes, far more than Tony Blair's majority of 69. If you count only the English MPs in Westminster, Labour's majority shrinks to around 30.

It may sound like arcane political arithmetic, but what this means in practice is that policies that affect only England - on schools, hospitals or the police - can become law, even if a majority of English MPs vote against them.

This actually happened in the recent votes on foundation hospitals and university top-up fees. Both bills affected only England. Yet both only became law thanks to the support of Scottish and Welsh Labour MPs. The policies didn't have the support of England's representatives, so why should they become English law? The English are no longer the citizens of a democracy, but the subjects of Celtic imperialism - and very soon they are going to wake up to this fact.

It would happen as soon as Gordon Brown took over as prime minister. Why should someone whose constituents' health and education are in the hands of the Scottish parliament be in charge of such matters for the English? The English know Brown's heart lies in Scotland, and it makes them suspicious. During Euro '96 he promised to get his extensive political entourage of fellow Scots into the Scotland v England game, and ended up blagging nearly 60 tickets. He recently shrugged off the importance of the Olympics in private, dismissing it thus:"That's for the English."

Brown is aware of his vulnerability in this area, which is why he keeps giving speeches on "Britishness". But rhetoric won't be enough; Brown needs to make some practical commitments. It is imperative in my view, for example, that his son John goes to school in London rather than Fife.

But Brown could do something far bolder. It would take everyone by surprise, and it would prove his commitment to England and democracy beyond doubt. He should propose that only English MPs be allowed to vote on English matters.

It would make it more difficult for Brown to get all his proposals through parliament. And it would mean we had a prime minister who couldn't even vote on some of his own legislation. But it would also mean that every Briton lived in a democracy. For once, voters would see a political leader willing to do something out of principle rather than self-interest.

If Brown doesn't take this radical step, the Tories eventually will. They accept that devolution is here to stay, but can also see that the current system is unfair. William Hague has already gone on record to demand: "English MPs should have exclusive say over English laws," and David Davis, the shadow home secretary, supports an English parliament. "The people of England deserve nothing less," Davis insists, "than the same choice as the people of Wales and Scotland."

The Tories plan on using this issue to undermine Gordon Brown. David Cameron recently sanctioned his inner circle to start murmuring about the chancellor's "Scottish problem", and they will use the logic of English MPs controlling English issues to suggest it would be constitutionally undemocratic to have a Scottish PM.

Brown must be careful not to let them succeed. In a system devolved for everyone - not just the Celts - of course a Scot could still be prime minister. A whole host of issues - not least the economy and defence - are decided for the UK as a whole. But Brown will need to get this message across quickly, or risk being dangerously discredited. Pretending the issue doesn't exist could fatally backfire.

For years, politicians on all sides have steered clear of this issue, judging that there aren't many votes in it. Up until now, they've probably been right to. It is extraordinary how little the English care about their national flag, their patron saint or their national day. But the prospect of a non-English PM in a post-devolution democracy is going to make the voters wake up. The modern dragon in our midst - this disenfranchisement of the English - will have to be slain. England will, as democracy demands, have to be governed by the English. As G K Chesterton once warned: "Smile at us, pay us, pass us; but do not quite forget; For we are the people of England, that never have spoken yet."

guardian.co.uk

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SLG · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: Celtic imperialism.

Rinty · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 9:24 pm Post subject: g

Go for it.

You are wrong to say that we scots openly celebrate St Andrews day though. Many people up here feel the same way about our own national saints day. In fact there is a bill at the Scottish parliament right now I think from Canavan asking for it to be a public holiday.

And the author seems to be unaware of the (far more often) times that English MPs overule scots on issues that affect only us or mostly us. Who gave us the holyrood fiasco? The poll tax?

I would love to see an English parliament set up, and a welsh one.

Aventinian · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject:

Babygael · Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 1:44 am Post subject:

To quote you Blackleaf

SLG · Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 10:28 am Post subject:

It was also English MPs who voted down the '79 devolution bill after a majority voted for it in the referendum. If they hadn't done that, England might be rid of us by now.

Cymro · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 8:02 am Post subject:

Aventinian · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 9:31 am Post subject:

SLG · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 10:27 am Post subject:

Cymro · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 11:28 am Post subject:

Neil · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject:

Saints' days.
The whole cult of Saints went out with the Reformation.
Anyway our Saints day is in midwinter, yours in May. Clearly some anti-Scottish bias in whoever set up that arrangement.

Only English MPs voting at Westminster on English bills wouldn't work because it would need an English administration to run it. Thus we would have a UK PM Mondays, Wednesdays & Fridays & English first minister Tuesdays & Thursdays. Its impossibility may be why the Tories are flirting with it.

A separate English Parliament, possibly replacing the Lords, or better yet, regional ones would ework. However such would have to be elected on PR & coincidentally the Tories aren't pushing for that. While it is true that at the last election the Tories got a bare 60,000 more votes than Labour they still got fewer seats so the problem is not being outvoted by Scots.
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Celyn · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject:

I think I am lost. Whose saint's day in is May?

Not Scotland, not England, not any bit of Ireland, not Wales ........

Perhaps Atlantis?

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Neil · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject:

Sorry, rereading St George is April 23rd.
Doesn't affect the point about saints being a silly thing to get uptight about though.
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