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parkhead_rfb
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why should my passport dicate how i see my nationality? if they decide to issue dickhead on yours tommorow will you go around telling people you are a dickhead? its an official document, but then official doesnt always mean correct.
oh right what about the innocent children of iraq, ireland etc that the british army have murdered no mention of them? the ira were fighting a war, mistakes are made in wars and as soon as the british decided they couldnt defeat the ira they were always open to political routes, it is the british government that continued the conflict.
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | why should my passport dicate how i see my nationality? if they decide to issue dickhead on yours tommorow will you go around telling people you are a dickhead? its an official document, but then official doesnt always mean correct.
oh right what about the innocent children of iraq, ireland etc that the british army have murdered no mention of them? the ira were fighting a war, mistakes are made in wars and as soon as the british decided they couldnt defeat the ira they were always open to political routes, it is the british government that continued the conflict. |
armed services DO NOT murder iraqi childern, there unfortunate innocent victims in any war when a bomb drops.
i would say that british troops murder innocent children if they had bombed warrington by leaving bombs in litter bins. or pubs. or at national parades. that IS murder of innocents.
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | why should my passport dicate how i see my nationality? if they decide to issue dickhead on yours tommorow will you go around telling people you are a dickhead? its an official document, but then official doesnt always mean correct.
oh right what about the innocent children of iraq, ireland etc that the british army have murdered no mention of them? the ira were fighting a war, mistakes are made in wars and as soon as the british decided they couldnt defeat the ira they were always open to political routes, it is the british government that continued the conflict. |
i take it you hold a british passport then or would if you had to get one. yes a british one, with queen on it. hee hee haha.
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parkhead_rfb
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passport means nothing to me its just used for getting in and out of country, doesnt anger me that i have a british one, although i would rather the joke of a monarchy was removed.
for the record though
jackie duddy 17 years of age
john young 17 years of age
hugh gilmore 17 years of age
gerald donaghy 17 years of age
michael kelly 18 years of age
were all shot dead unarmed by british paratroopers on bloody sunday.
the list of children injured, and somekilled, by british state plastic bullets is also endless.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | passport means nothing to me its just used for getting in and out of country, doesnt anger me that i have a british one, although i would rather the joke of a monarchy was removed.
for the record though
jackie duddy 17 years of age
john young 17 years of age
hugh gilmore 17 years of age
gerald donaghy 17 years of age
michael kelly 18 years of age
were all shot dead unarmed by british paratroopers on bloody sunday.
the list of children injured, and somekilled, by british state plastic bullets is also endless. |
ah yes. bloody sunday a peaceful march where some of the marchers were carrying guns............. much is still to be learned of that day
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parkhead_rfb
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where is your evidence that marchers were carrying guns? these were claims which were made by the british army, claims which have been widely discredited since then.
but evidence doesnt really seem to be your thing you enjoy here say more.
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Rinty
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| Quote: | | ah yes. bloody sunday a peaceful march where some of the marchers were carrying guns............. much is still to be learned of that day |
Go on then, what is to be learned of that day? That sort of stement highlights just how poor your knowledge is. |
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RBK
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| Rinty wrote: | | Quote: | | ah yes. bloody sunday a peaceful march where some of the marchers were carrying guns............. much is still to be learned of that day |
Go on then, what is to be learned of that day? That sort of stement highlights just how poor your knowledge is. |
There were guns being carried on that day. Some have even admitted to this, at the millions of pounds enquiry that is ongoing. I think one of the guys was a Sticky[offical ira]. |
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Rinty
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I have no doubt that there would be some people in Derry that day carrying weapons. The actions of the British army that day can easily explain why they would do so.
But that in no way excuses the murder of the thirteen innocent protesters, most of them shot in the back.
At one time they used to claim that they were fired on first, now the claim is diluted to being that there were some IRA men in the area carrying guns. That would have been true of any day in Derry in the early 70's. Of course they were definitely not the only people carrying guns, they were, however, not used to kill anyone at that march. |
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | where is your evidence that marchers were carrying guns? these were claims which were made by the british army, claims which have been widely discredited since then.
but evidence doesnt really seem to be your thing you enjoy here say more. |
were our servicemen shooting at themselves?
where is your neutral evidence they were not carrying guns. and do not quote the provo daily or such crap.
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parkhead_rfb
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how can i prove evidence that they were not carrying guns? there could have been guns or rocket launchers there for all i know you would only know for certain if they were fired. can you provide me with evidence other than the widely discredited widgery (sp) report, i believe it was called, which states otherwise?
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | | how can i prove evidence that they were not carrying guns? there could have been guns or rocket launchers there for all i know you would only know for certain if they were fired. can you provide me with evidence other than the widely discredited widgery (sp) report, i believe it was called, which states otherwise? |
'it didnae happen, youz made it up,it's a british conspiracy'.
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Rinty
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:33 am Post subject: t |
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True blue,
Are you saying that the innocent marchers were killed because some IRA men had guns?
If not what is your point? |
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RBK
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[quote="parkhead_rfb"]where is your evidence that marchers were carrying guns? these were claims which were made by the british army, claims which have been widely discredited since then.
The point is [and it was on the news] that guns were being carried. If my memory serves me right, I believe that one or two admitted firing at the army. But even if they didn't,they were still carrying guns. |
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trueblue
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: t |
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| Rinty wrote: | True blue,
Are you saying that the innocent marchers were killed because some IRA men had guns?
If not what is your point? |
the point is that these 'peaceful marchers' were not as lovely as made out. the british army DID come under fire. it is a terrible piece of the armies history that is of no doubt but stop believing all this 'they were all innocent' pish.
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | | how can i prove evidence that they were not carrying guns? there could have been guns or rocket launchers there for all i know you would only know for certain if they were fired. can you provide me with evidence other than the widely discredited widgery (sp) report, i believe it was called, which states otherwise? |
Witness 'saw armed man '
A member of the republican movement saw a man with a rifle and heard a shot before he heard shots fired by the Army on Bloody Sunday, the Saville Inquiry has heard.
The witness, referred to only as RM 1, said on Tuesday that he remembered feeling "very angry" because of the risk to the crowd.
The tribunal is examining the events of 30 January 1972 when 13 civilians were shot dead by British army soldiers during a civil rights march in Londonderry. A 14th person died later.
He said he was watching a number of young men stoning a small barricade in the area of Little James Street when he heard a shot which seemed to have come from a building behind him.
The republican said as he ran up the stairs in the building, he was thinking: "Who is mad enough to fire a shot with all this crowd about."
He said he grabbed a gun from one of two men, threw the weapon down the stairs and pushed the man after it.
The witness had said in his written submission: "I felt strongly that it should not have happened. I confirm that this was the first shot I heard and I heard no Army fire at the time."
The inquiry has already heard from a former Official IRA member who said he had fired a shot after he heard two people had already been injured by the Army. |
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just peace loving craicsters.
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Rinty
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:09 pm Post subject: t |
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| Quote: | | the point is that these 'peaceful marchers' were not as lovely as made out |
So far the claims have been about IRA men near the march alledgedly carrying guns (normal in that time), but not that the marchers were carrying guns true blue. Since when did not being as "lovely as made out" carry the death penalty without trial?
| Quote: | | just peace loving craicsters |
True blue, I may not agree with RBKs opinion on this, but at leat he is debating the issue with ideas and evidence. Can you just piss off when the grown ups are talking please? |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:44 am Post subject: Re: t |
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| Rinty wrote: | | Quote: | | the point is that these 'peaceful marchers' were not as lovely as made out |
So far the claims have been about IRA men near the march alledgedly carrying guns (normal in that time), but not that the marchers were carrying guns true blue. Since when did not being as "lovely as made out" carry the death penalty without trial?
| Quote: | | just peace loving craicsters |
True blue, I may not agree with RBKs opinion on this, but at leat he is debating the issue with ideas and evidence. Can you just piss off when the grown ups are talking please? |
death penalty without a trial- not sure, ira/uvf bombers will answer that though.
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