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Blackadder
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Well you got that right!!! 
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mairead
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: Edinburg |
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Well thank the Lord I got something right, but now that I am not altogether stupid I've changed my mind, you should now address me as Milady.
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Blackadder
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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RadgeJougal
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Blackadder wrote: | | Let's finally put to rest this "myth" of Edin"burgh" and say it is not and never was a Celtic word. "Burgh" is Anglo-Saxon. It became attached to the Capital because of patronage by Edwin of Northumbria, who "conquered" the Lothians, and the word "burgh" denotes a market-town of good size. |
It isn't Edwin's burgh as sometimes claimed. It was Symeon of Durham who put that myth about. "Burgh" is Teutonic, "Edin" here isn't. |
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Blackadder
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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No'one said "Edin" was, Radge.
According to Wikipedia on Symeon;
| Quote: | | his chief merit is that of a diligent collector and copyist. |
Perhaps he just copied a lot from someone else, then interpolating his own words where he could.
Nowadays, that's called Plagiarism!  |
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RadgeJougal
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Okay, fair enough... |
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Blackleaf
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Firefox wrote: | EXACTLY!
But isn't that the point? It shows a Scotland, intermixed with other cultures and yet, still, Independent! The mixed entymology shows or links with the outside world (whatever they may be at that point).
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It's not really links to the outside world.
The Anglo-Saxon kingdom of Northumbria, which has since become an English county when all of them unified to form England, once extended into what is now Scotland and the area where Edinburgh now is.
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Blackleaf
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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It was at first called Din Eidyn (Fort of Eidyn) from the time when it was a Gododdin hillfort.
It was then invaded by the Bernicians (Bernicia was an Anglo-Saxon kingdom) who then name changed the name to the Anglo-Saxon "Edin-burh", which some have argued derives from the Anglo-Saxon for "Edwin's fort", possibly derived from the 7th century king Edwin of Northumbria.
However, since the name apparently predates King Edwin, this is highly unlikely. The burgh element means "fortress" or "group of buildings" in Anglo-Saxon, i.e. a town or city and is akin to the German burg, Latin parcus, Greek pyrgos etc. The "Edin" probably just comes from the "Eidyn."
So it originally had a Brythonic name but now has an Anglo-Saxon one.
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Cymro
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Interesting debate. The word Din / Dun does though mean City in the Old Welsh and it's Brythonic predater language. However, city does not mean the same thing as it does now - basically a city in this sense was a place which was fortified. My home town Rhuthun means City (Fort) on Red Rocks, the town is built on red sand stone. Rhuth meaning Red adn the Un has derived from Dun/Din.
Dinas is the Welsh word for city which shows the link still clearly exists.
I heard many places around Scotland had names which where Old Welsh - Perth (perth is a word for piece of land), Strathclyde - Ystrad Clyd, Glasglow - Glasgoed, Dumbarton - Din Brython, and possibly Aberdeen (the word Aber in Wales is commonly found and means Mouth of River).
Don't know how true it is though. |
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Corby Boy
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| Welsh and Gaelic have similar words meaning the same thing. |
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