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mairead · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:10 am Post subject: Stone of Destiny

Ten years today since the stone of Destiny which was taken to Westminster by King Edward 1st of England, was returned to Scotland although whether it is the real stone is still greatly debated.

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SLG · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject:

So does anyone know where the real stone is? Now would be a good time.

Avatar · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject:

Im sure I remember a story saying when when it was originally stolen it was hid in a wall somewhere. Couldn't they run tests on the one we have to check and make sure its real?
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mairead · Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject:

Hiya Wolfie, Nice to see you back.
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Wolf of Badenoch · Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:09 am Post subject:

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azzuri · 'Our Scotland' Fossil Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 3796

...with some sort of celtic knot carvings in it, apparently.
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Babygael · Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:56 am Post subject:

Celtic aliens? Cool

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Corby Boy · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject:

The auld legend goes that the Abbott of Scone hid the true stone from Edward Longshanks (it was originally from Tara in Ireland), and produced it on the proclomation of Robert the Bruce. He was duly crowned on it. On Roberts death bed, he bade Angus Og MacDonald to spirit it away after his son's coronation (David Bruce). This happened and Angus died not long after.

So, ask someone in clan MacDonald, whaur's yon stane, ma friends?

Other theory the Knights Templar, protected by Bruce, are guarding it until a new King can be found to sit on Scotland's throne.

So, Western Isles or Roslin or some such, take ya pick!

Holebender · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:11 pm Post subject:

The problem with the Knights Templar story is that Scotland had a whole line of legitimate Kings after Bruce and was safe from English aggression (at least in the years immediately after Bruce) so why wasn't the stone produced then? Wouldn't it have been a great propoganda coup to unveil the stone and publicly hold a coronation after the English had gone to all the trouble of taking a fake down to Westminster Abbey? No, the Knichties story doesn't stand up.
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Blackadder · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject:

The Stone of Destiny originally came from Egypt and is inscribed with heiroglyphs. It was brought to Ireland by the Tuatha de Danaan, a Celtic tribe that descended from the Celt mercenaries at the Court of the Pharaohs. Known as the Lia Fail (although there is another stone called that in Ireland) and Jacob's Pillow, "clach-na-cinneamhain", "clach Sgàin" and the Tanist Stone, the real stone was hidden from the marauding English army of Edward I (who referred to himself as the "Hammer of the Scots). The real stone is still hidden. The lump of rock in Edinburgh Castle .... is a fake!

The real stone was looked after by the Clan Dewar, Gaelic ‘Deoireach’, who were like a caste of hereditary priests to the King of Scots. It is believed they spirited the stone away to either a remote highland cave or to the Islands, possibly the Holy Isle of Iona, an island sacred to the Celt druids long before Christianity claimed it!

It's highly likely the stone iself is of polished black basalt, a stone highly favoured by Egyptians ... and the ends were carved into lotus fronds. Scrolls were more a Roman achitectural feature.

mairead · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject:

And the lump of rock in Edinburgh castle is alleged to be the covering of an ancient lavatory.
Does my heart good to think of all the 'British' kings and queens who were crowned over a toilet seat.

I believe the stone is still hidden and who knows it might even reappear when Scotland stands as a nation again.
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Holebender · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject:

Again, I have to ask; if the stone was hidden away for safe keeping, why wasn't it produces as soon as Scotland's independence was secured in the 14th Century? Why not get it out of hiding and hold a grand coronation for Robert I as soon as the Treaty of Edinburgh-Northampton was signed?
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agentmancuso · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject:

I've got some impressive lumps of concrete in the garden that your all welcome to if you'd like to sculpt a new Stone of Destiny.
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mairead · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject:

Holebender.
I have no idea why the stone was not produced at these times, but I daresay it could have had something to do with the fear of it another attempt at stealing it.. Mind you, you do raise a good point here and have set me wondering the same.
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Blackleaf · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject:

The stone is now at Edinburgh Castle, but will be taken down to Westminster Abbey, temporarily, whenever a new monarch is crowned....

On Christmas Day 1950, a group of four Scottish students (Ian Hamilton, Gavin Vernon, Kay Matheson and Alan Stuart) took the Stone from Westminster Abbey for return to Scotland.

In the process of removing it from the Abbey, they broke it into two pieces. After hiding the greater part of the stone with gypsies in Kent for a few days, they risked the road blocks on the border and returned to Scotland with this piece, which they had hidden in the back of a borrowed car, along with a new accomplice John Josselyn. The smaller piece was similarly brought north a little while later. This journey involved a break in Leeds, where a group of sympathetic students and graduates took the fragment to Ilkley Moor for an overnight stay, accompanied by renditions of "On Ilkla Moor Baht 'at." (a popular English folk song sung in the Yorkshire dialect)

The Stone was then passed to a senior Glasgow politician who arranged for it to be professionally repaired by Glasgow stonemason Robert Gray.

A major search for the stone had been ordered by the British Government, but this proved unsuccessful. Perhaps assuming that the Church would not return it to England, the stone's custodians left it on the altar of Arbroath Abbey, on 11 April 1951, in the safekeeping of the Church of Scotland. Once the London police were informed of its whereabouts, the Stone was returned to Westminster. Afterwards, rumours circulated that copies had been made of the Stone, and that the returned Stone was not in fact the original.

Returned to Scotland

In 1996, in a symbolic response to growing dissatisfaction among Scots at the prevailing constitutional settlement, the British Conservative Government decided that the Stone should be kept in Scotland when not in use at coronations, and on 3 July 1996 the Stone was returned to Scotland, and on 15 November 1996, after a handover ceremony at the border between representatives of the Home Office and of the Scottish Office, it was transported to Edinburgh Castle where it remains. Provision has been made to transport the stone to Westminster Abbey when it is required there for future coronation ceremonies. There was much comment of course that the stone being transferred was not the real stone at all, but a replica which had taken its place either in ancient times or in the 1950s.

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