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Dateline: Austria, Europe
By: Timocrat
From: The Honor Network

Mommy Dearest Lawyer/Feminist Tortures Children
Priority News Exchange Program News Item (PNEP)

In the heart of enlightened socialist Europe an attorney/mother/feminist has been discovered to have kept her daughters in a complete darkened dungeon-like conditions for 7 years, with no other contact but with the mother. Excrement and other mater was said to be meter high, and the girls, now just being released after their ordeal, are said to flee sunlight and hide in dark places wherever they can find it (under tables etc.). The girls were said to have played with mice for fun!

How did this happen? After a divorce with her former judge husband this lawyer/mother (whose name is protected), used the system to keep her husband out of the girls lives all together, with the help of all the people we have come to know all to well in our own neck-of –the-woods too.

The father/judge tried 9 times in court to see his girls, but to no avail, as the system (he had a hand in making) decided there was no reason to force his access. Even complaints from the neighbors did no good, for a mother is perfect (or so we are told by feminists). The girls in their isolation are said to have developed their own language that involves singing and ending all sentences with the word “but” (probably as a fear response).

The therapist treating one or all of the 3 girls (age 7,11& 13) has said that their personality development is “catastrophic”. Empathy is coming from some bazaar quarters for the mother, despite being able to argue in court all these years, as she is now kept in a nicer section of the prison (the mentally disorder ward).

All such bad mothers seem to head for this mental disorder defense, and this lawyer is no different. She is only up on charges of grievous bodily harm and torture, and is facing between five months and five years in prison. If she gets the maximum 5 years she will be out in a year and a half, or if found mentally unbalanced could not spend any more time in prison at all! If this were a man, how would we treat him?

Well let’s do the math of what we have learned here:

Women Lawyer > Judge
Mother > Father
Money > Access
Feminism > Fatherhood

3 girls live 7years in hell = to possibly 5 months in the white room ward with lots of people for her to talk to about her problems.

Maybe we can find a way to blame dad again here too? This is the first case that actually brought a watery eye, as the girls’ dysfunctions are so widespread and pathetic. How long will this evil go on? As long as the establishment can cover over such news and not have to deal with stats that show mothers are more likely to physically abuse their children than fathers.

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Scott2006 · Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:26 am Post subject:

Link to site for that article: http://mynation.net/voice/index.p...s&c=articles&b=17&a=6
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14 February 2007 06:59:20 Posted by Samurai, Author/source :-

The mynation site has quite a hang up about domestic violence being anti-male.
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McDougall · Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:01 pm Post subject:

Dear Scott 2006,
Yes, the author is the same and has allowed it to sent as is. Are you involved in fathers rights?
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Rinty · Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject: g

What6 a mad article. If the womens name is not known he does the author know she is a feminist? Also it claims to be in the heart of Socialist Europe? Where is that?

Is there any link to the original story? I dont see anything here that blames the father, I dont see anything that shows she is feminist or that her gender has anything to do with this or that she is not mentally ill and therefore best placed in the hospital.

Can we please see the evidence of the woman being a feminist, not being mentally ill or the father being blamed?

And, I would really like to see the location as "socialist" europe doesn't exist!

McDougall · Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:23 am Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:47 am Post subject: g

Scott2006 · Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:02 pm Post subject:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1368918.ece

Timesonline article fron 12th Feb 2007 - apparently this happened in Oct 2005!
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Rinty · Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: g

Thanks Scott,

so still no evidence of anyone blaming a father, of the being (or not being) a feminist or that she isn't mentally ill.

Scott2006 · Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject:

Rinty: I was trying to find a more balanced, less propagandist viewpoint but hopefully you wont hold it against me if I hold up the Murdoch Press as an example of fair reporting in this one example at least!

The woman has clearly been leading a split-life, a torturer to her children and a well known legal figure in her area of Linz.

That the female lawyer and her legal team has been able to avoid this getting reported for more than 15 months is remarkable - I don't think any similar occurance in the UK would be handled like this.

A catalogue of errors with 9 court appearances avoided - unreal level of suffering which one or two of the daughters may never recover from. Very sad.

Extremist Feminism or Masculinist positions do no one any favours. I don't know if she was active on the Feminist scene in Austria so I can't comment on that. But I don't think many Feminists would be seen supporting the situation that denied the father no right to see his children once in all those years.
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Rinty · Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: h

McDougall · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:51 am Post subject:

You seem to think that a father and grandparents (this includes both sides of both families) having no acces to his daughters is nothing of much note. It may be in our present world, but the cost is staggering to society -as this example clearly shows.

Who is responsible for this in your perspective? If a judge cannot have access, what male or grandparent can expect to have any? What did the mother say in court that allowed her to exclude grandparents from both sides and the father from access (and even the neighbours complaints)? If it isn't an extention of the feminist laws of my body my right, to my kids my say only, then what could have kept everyone so at arms length for 7 years! Did she say her husband beat her ( with no other eye-witness backing up the story)? If she did, and you approve of a woman's word is all that is needed in court to bansih the dad, then I understand why you demand so much proof from a system that hides all. You support it politically. Politics first is cold comfort.

If you are waiting for the bureaucrats & feminists to come forward and say yes we are responsible in our cow-towing to our agenda in this case, then you win the argument Rinty. Our if you are waiting for the transcripts to the court cases then good luck too. Across the world almost all court rooms access issues are closed affairs.

Scott is right this happened in October, but it has been kept covered up till now. The more they cover up the more Rinty wins the argument, yet the more this will continue.

As for Austria not being socialist enough for you, are you going to make the work in progress argument? This points to when I remember hearing complaints made against Russian and Chinese communism years ago they would point to Yugoslavian and Albanian communism as more to their liking. Yes you win again for there is no true socialism that matches you perfect one in your imagination. Therefore you can have a go at your version some day, and if it were to fail I'm sure we will others saying as you now (on and on we go).
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IF Convenor · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:05 am Post subject:

You have a very distorted view of feminism and socialism as far as I can see.

I take it from your posts that you have been through a bitterly contested divorce and did not fare well. You have my sympathy but you shouldn't let it alter your world view to the extent to appear to have done.
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McDougall · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:47 am Post subject:

Sorry If,
I'm happily married and you need to debate ideas, and not try indirectly to defend your beliefs thus, like you have some mythical skill of seeing things. If I have a distorted ideas of S or F you need to prove it logically. My ideas of S and F are due to what these forces do, not say. Is this a Scottish forum or a socialist forum?

Any justified anger I have is due to the millions of grandparents and fathers who suffer, and even those mothers who have come to see they were mistaken to have embraced such fashionable ideas that will not last the next 100 years.
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The good men may do separately is small compared with what they may do collectively -
Benjamin Franklin

None of us is smart as all of us-
Old Japanese Proverb

Rinty · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject: j

You are misrepresenting me. I am talking only about this case and have at no point said that I think it is a good thing that these kids were deprived their family and their freedom. I think it is schocking and the whole story is a nightmare especially for the kids involved.

All I am saying is that this looks like a failure of the authorities and there is nothing in the story that suggests there was any gender bias involved, nothing to say that the woman is a feminist, nothing to suggest that she isnt mentally ill.

It is you who is making assumptions to link this story to your agenda. Your argument, so far, doesnt make any sense.

I am not judging on the perfect form of socialism that you are suggesting. Austria is clearly a market based capitalist country as is all of Europe. Anyone who refers to europe as "socialist" is not talking about forms of socialism, degrees of socialism or anything else, there simply isnt a place called "socialist europe".

IF Convenor · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject:

I am not a socialist and neither is Austria.

I do support feminism as far as it is about equality and fair treatment. I do not support certain man-hating people who are falsely described by some as feminists. They are no more feminists than Austria is socialist.

Your obvious bitterness, McDougall, has to have some basis and it seemed to me it was the result of an acrimonious custody battle. Clearly I was mistaken, but it is equally clear that something has tainted your views.
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Babygael · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:12 am Post subject:

That woman was/is neither a socialist or a femminist........she's a nutter!
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