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azzuri
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Aventinian
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| thetimeisnow wrote: | Country doesn't mean anything? Nothing at all?
I am Scottish but only British by law - having 2 nationalities is a strange concept and one which contradicts itself on many occasions. |
I have one nationality, British. Scottish, county, village, old school and university communities etc are all those I consider myself a part of however,.
| Quote: | | You obviously hold Scotland in high regard and have high hopes for success. Nationalism spells positivity but unfortunately the Union since 1707 has only held Scotland back. None moreso that now - if you are serious about what you say and know how Scotland operates you would accept that. |
Yes, it really held us back when it turned us from a third-world backwater to a thriving first world nation within the Empire.
| Quote: | Thats just being silly - Scotland is a country and most Scots will tell you that - wht should Scotland not have the same rights as other countries.
Or is Scotland merely a region of Britain and nothing more?? |
Scotland is a nation and not a country. Nations don't have 'rights'.
| Quote: | | Libertarian?! Don't see how that will ever work in the United Kingdom's 'democratic process'. |
The United Kingdom is the motherland of Libertarianism and has advanced the idea of liberty more than any other nation on earth.
| Quote: | | Are you a globalist? Should the whole world be the same? Have the same currency? Speak the same language? Exciting. |
I am an economic and political globalist. I don't care about culture whatsoever.
| Quote: | | Gaelic, like other languages, is an important part of Scotland's fantastic and varied culture. |
I'd replace the word 'Scotland' with 'the Highlands and Islands"
| Quote: | | Also, interested to know why you feel this way about Scotland? Where have you lived/been brought up? (Not that I think this is overly important although I do think it might help to answer some questions about your apparent lack of understanding of the country of Scotland). |
Although I don't like giving too much away, I was born in Scotland, of Scottish parents and have lived here all my life. |
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Aventinian
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GrampianLad
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Aventinian... Why does it seem that everytime you say something on this website you end up offending every single person? At first, I respected your opinion, but now, I just wish you would shut the hell up. Scotland is Gaelic, it was founded Gaelic, and it is becoming more Gaelic. Why do you have to be so damn narrow minded?! You have your own agenda, and nothing else matters.
This website is to debate, you cant debate if you arent open minded, you bloody t**t. |
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Aventinian
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| GrampianLad wrote: | Aventinian... Why does it seem that everytime you say something on this website you end up offending every single person? At first, I respected your opinion, but now, I just wish you would shut the hell up. Scotland is Gaelic, it was founded Gaelic, and it is becoming more Gaelic. Why do you have to be so damn narrow minded?! You have your own agenda, and nothing else matters.
This website is to debate, you cant debate if you arent open minded, you bloody t**t. |
To be honest, from the statement above you are the one who seems less than open minded. I don't really care if I offend anyone - people with certain views deserve to be offended.
Scotland is not Gaelic any more. Get over it. No one is campaigning to get signs put up in Brythonic Welsh - and that was the original language of Scotland long before the Irish came over. More people probably have an understanding of Latin than Gaelic too... there's another language that united not only a country, but a good chunk of a continent.
If you ask me it is only those with prejudices and those trying to argue for special privileges that get offended. Maybe you believe Gaelic is part of your culture, but it certainly gives you no rights to force it down the throats of everybody else.
I respect and admire the speakers of the Celtic languages in these isles, I'm far from annoyed at them. I believe a lot of Nationalists are using Gaelic speakers as a political pawn to make themselves look 'distinct' from England, even today. I also believe most Gaelic speakers would loathe being put in this position. |
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SLG
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| Aventinian wrote: | | Scotland is not Gaelic any more. Get over it. No one is campaigning to get signs put up in Brythonic Welsh - and that was the original language of Scotland long before the Irish came over. More people probably have an understanding of Latin than Gaelic too... there's another language that united not only a country, but a good chunk of a continent. |
Of course Scotland is still Gaelic. It is many other things as well, but it is still Gaelic. And you know fine well that the first language of Scotland as a political entity was Gaelic and it remained that way for some time even as Scotland's borders expanded into Brythonic speaking areas. Do you know how many people have an understanding of Latin in Scotland? Another reason that no-one is asking for signs in Brythonic is that there is so little of the language left. If the language had survived, then I'm sure the speakers would expect the right to be able to carry out much of their life in that language.
| Aventinian wrote: | | If you ask me it is only those with prejudices and those trying to argue for special privileges that get offended. Maybe you believe Gaelic is part of your culture, but it certainly gives you no rights to force it down the throats of everybody else. |
Who is asking for special privileges and who is forcing it down anybodies throat?
| Aventinian wrote: | | I respect and admire the speakers of the Celtic languages in these isles, I'm far from annoyed at them. I believe a lot of Nationalists are using Gaelic speakers as a political pawn to make themselves look 'distinct' from England, even today. I also believe most Gaelic speakers would loathe being put in this position. |
I'm sure there is an element of that. It goes both ways though. Unionists often diminish the extent to which Gaelic was spoken in Scotland. Refer to the Gaels as Irish rather than Scots in an attempt to see them as foreign from 'Anglo-Saxon' Scots. |
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Aventinian
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| SLG wrote: | | Of course Scotland is still Gaelic. It is many other things as well, but it is still Gaelic. And you know fine well that the first language of Scotland as a political entity was Gaelic and it remained that way for some time even as Scotland's borders expanded into Brythonic speaking areas. Do you know how many people have an understanding of Latin in Scotland? Another reason that no-one is asking for signs in Brythonic is that there is so little of the language left. If the language had survived, then I'm sure the speakers would expect the right to be able to carry out much of their life in that language. |
The Gaelic language is hardly surviving... wasn't it going to be classified as a 'dead language' by some authority or other a few years ago due to its lack of speakers?
Latin is probably understood by a large number of people in Scotland. As I understand it was compulsary at most grammar schools and still is taught in many schools (more down this way than would teach Gaelic)
| Aventinian wrote: | | I'm sure there is an element of that. It goes both ways though. Unionists often diminish the extent to which Gaelic was spoken in Scotland. Refer to the Gaels as Irish rather than Scots in an attempt to see them as foreign from 'Anglo-Saxon' Scots. |
Ah, we're all mongrels in the end. |
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SLG
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| Aventinian wrote: | | The Gaelic language is hardly surviving... wasn't it going to be classified as a 'dead language' by some authority or other a few years ago due to its lack of speakers? |
Gaelic is surviving. The numbers have stabalised. Gaelic-medium education is expanding quite drastically. No, it was never going to be classified as a 'dead language'. AFAIK the 50k figure is pretty much an myth.
| Aventinian wrote: | | Latin is probably understood by a large number of people in Scotland. As I understand it was compulsary at most grammar schools and still is taught in many schools (more down this way than would teach Gaelic) |
But you don't have any numbers with which to compare it to Gaelic, so we can't really make a comparison.
| Aventinian wrote: | | Ah, we're all mongrels in the end. |
Absolutely. That's why you can't say that Gaelic is not part of Scottish culture. |
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