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FreedomNow
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 Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:59 pm Post subject: Just a Query |
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Given that Ireland has had at least 3 major rebellions against British rule in the last 300 years, has Scotland ever came close to revolt in that time? There must have ben sympathisers of the Robert Emmet and Wolfe Tone in Scotland?
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There were two Jacobite uprisings in 1715 and 1745, and an abortive one in 1719 (I think).
There was the Radicals Revolt of 1820.
There were also a few mutinies in the army and navy.
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azzuri
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Don't forget 1689 at Killiecrankie where the jacobite rebellions kicked off...
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Holebender
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I didn't, but I thought the enquiry was about rebellions against British rule, i.e. the political union.
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FreedomNow
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Ireland has had more violent politics than Scotland.
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agentmancuso
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| FreedomNow wrote: | | Ireland has had more violent politics than Scotland. |
Viewed in comparison with to Ireland, Scottish politics has been almost entirely peaceful since the Union.
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| Holebender wrote: | There were two Jacobite uprisings in 1715 and 1745, and an abortive one in 1719 (I think).
There was the Radicals Revolt of 1820.
There were also a few mutinies in the army and navy. |
You're absolutely right Holebender (re 1719).
The Earl Marischal, George Keith, attempted a rising in 1719. He landed at Kintail with a large number of foreign mercenaries, including 300 Spaniards. The majority of his following failed to make land though after being blown off course. Rob Roy MacGregor and about a thousand others joined the rising but due to the small number of this army they were defeated easily at the battle of Glenshiel by a government army under the command of General Wightman. |
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azzuri
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By 1719 had Rob Roy not swapped sides and fought with the British government troops?
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I think we should be careful not to call the Jacobite uprisings, "Scottish" revolts as Scots fought on both sides.
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| BonnieBlueFlag wrote: | | I think we should be careful not to call the Jacobite uprisings, "Scottish" revolts as Scots fought on both sides. |
As did English. You're absolutely right, though Scots were the main protagonists, especially in 1715 when other factors apart from putting James on the throne came into the equation. |
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Abieuan
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Indeed, a regiment was raised in NW England called the Manchester Regiment, commanded by Col. Townsely who held Caerlisle long after the army retreated north.
Their fate was grim. |
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Jimbo
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| azzuri wrote: | | By 1719 had Rob Roy not swapped sides and fought with the British government troops? |
I wasn't aware of this Azzuri, like a lot of other people I had not read anything on the man, just heard the myths and legends of this so called Scottish hero.
Since your post I have read two books on him. Firstly Rob Roy by his biographer W H Murray and another Rob Roy, The Man and the Myths by David Stevenson and I have to say what an eye opener they were for me.
Murray is more of an apologist for him, trying to find or make up reasons for his treachery whereas Stevenson (having access to documents that Murray did not have) is more direct and to the point and calls him the super grass of his day.
He seems to have been a rather complex character. Apparently up to and after the 15 uprising he was a spy for the Hanoverians, fought at Glenshiel for the Jacobite cause in 1719 and then in the 1720s literally begged for a pardon and reverted to spying (for pay) for the Hanoverians. I was always under the misconception that he was some kind of Jacobite hero. Now, thanks to you, I know otherwise. |
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Corby Boy
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Thomas Muir lead an insurrection and was transported or executed for his troubles (can't remember which) in the early 1800's. He was very much part of the United Scotsmen movement which sympathised very much with the United Irishmen movement that came earlier - Emmet, Wolfe Tone. Irish presbyterians very much at the fore of that movement.
Ironic considering the stance of most presbyterians in Ireland nowadays.
As pointed out earlier the Jacobite rebellions have always been misrepresented. They were essentially a civil war as far as the Scots (and English) were concerned and had an international flavour.
With Irish, French and Spanish troops also being involved on the Jacobite side. On the Government side at Killiecrankie, you also had Dutch troops. Essentially the same mix that fought at The Boyne in 1690 - but that's another story. |
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