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mairead · Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:22 pm Post subject:

Highlander,
Sorry, but the law which states that only Protestants can rule was NOT made by the people. It was made because the Protestant noble factions in Westminster who feared a return of the days of Bloody Mary Tudor, (Daughter of Henry V111) when hundreds of protestants were burned at the stake on her orders, for their religious beliefs.
James V11 was never deposed by the Scots either, nor did he abdicate. He was forced to flee for his life as his second wife had given birth to a son, James, Prince of Wales, (Father of Charles Edward Stewart) six weeks before the arrival of William of Orange and the Protestant Parliament saw the birth as the beginning of a Catholic Dynasty.
Again, you are wrong my friend, God Save the Queen WAS a Jacobite Hymn for King James, but if you refuse to accept fact then I am not going to argue the point. Believe what you will.
However. if you are proud of being British I suggest you read up on Scottish history as well as English, and I am afrraid that being British is now on the way out.
A True Scot to the end, never British.
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mairead · Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:45 pm Post subject:

Sorry pal, Wrong again. It was first sung after the 1715 by the Jacobites. Probably it's first national airing in England was after Geordie altered it in the wake of Cumberlands slaughter at and after Culloden.
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Highlander · I Love 'Our Scotland' Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 298

Give me one reference to it being used in 1715. You can look up numerous history books to see that it was 1st used in 1745 and it was published in a book in 1744.
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mairead · Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject:

You are probably right enough as to when it was first published and sung openly, but it was written by and sung by the Jacobites long before then. Many Jacobite songs were, like their meetings and by necessity, only sung in secret and in the company of Jacobites. I will find the old book where my information came from and pass you the title as soon as I can.
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mairead · Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:52 am Post subject:

Highlander,
You will find the information in a book called 'The Romance of the White Rose' which was written in the 19th century.
No proof by the way, does not mean something did not happen. There is much which is known yet cannot be proved.
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FALSYDE · Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject:

As a Fellow of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland I do dable a wee bit in history and I cannot for the life of me understand where this man Whatley could even get to first base with his thesis that the Scots were in favour of the Union, what about the riots reported by Defoe? what about the actual listings of the precise amounts of money paid and to whom paid?

To quote another respondent, this is pure boll..........s. I would doubt if his university tenure could, would or should survive this nonsense.

Come on Nail, lay it out in detail for the daft laddie in Dundee.
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SLG · Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:24 pm Post subject:

I don't think Whatley actually says that the Scots supported the Union - that's just headline grabbing. I think he says that many of the Scots ruling class supported the Union.

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mairead · Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:06 am Post subject:

probably right enough Anthropos, Just like today, what the people want and what they get are often two different things, although these days there are at least elections which put some people in power and not just accident of birth as it was then.
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agentmancuso · Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject:

mairead · Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject:

And just where exactly did I say I believed in the divine right of Kings????
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agentmancuso · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject:

makar · Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: 1707

I'll post something on the anthem later - but for now, a question: can anyone give me details / chapter and verse / background etc. on the English force lying in wait in case the Scots DIDN'T sign? Above the leader is said to be Wade, which is wrong of course; but who was it??

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