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| Cymro wrote: | | parkhead_rfb wrote: | | this really should be broad cast to a wider audience to maybe show scotland that scottish history isnt all about tartan and short bread whilst the nasty english carried out all the bad deeds in the world. |
I'd agree with that, but would you also add Ireland to that? That Irish History isn't all about Potatoes and fighting evil Brits? You mention Barbados, but many Irish chose to go to the colonies and take part in the colonisation too. |
those who did such things are given many names by the irish and despised for their actions. the more people who know what they did and more importantly why it was wrong the better.
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Cymro
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | | Cymro wrote: | | parkhead_rfb wrote: | | this really should be broad cast to a wider audience to maybe show scotland that scottish history isnt all about tartan and short bread whilst the nasty english carried out all the bad deeds in the world. |
I'd agree with that, but would you also add Ireland to that? That Irish History isn't all about Potatoes and fighting evil Brits? You mention Barbados, but many Irish chose to go to the colonies and take part in the colonisation too. |
those who did such things are given many names by the irish and despised for their actions. the more people who know what they did and more importantly why it was wrong the better. |
Yes I'm sure they are. What about alll those who left Ireland for places like the US? Like it or not, like the Welsh, the Scots and the English they too colonised foreign soils. Many Irish (like Welsh, Scots and English) will be happy to ignore the actions of their own nation while concentrating on their own injustices.
Wales was a big part of the slave trade scene with the big docks in Swansea and Cardiff. Also several Welsh people where slavemasters in the Carribean - hence why many black people still have surnames Williams, Evans etc as they took the slave masters names. |
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parkhead_rfb
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| Cymro wrote: | | parkhead_rfb wrote: | | Cymro wrote: | | parkhead_rfb wrote: | | this really should be broad cast to a wider audience to maybe show scotland that scottish history isnt all about tartan and short bread whilst the nasty english carried out all the bad deeds in the world. |
I'd agree with that, but would you also add Ireland to that? That Irish History isn't all about Potatoes and fighting evil Brits? You mention Barbados, but many Irish chose to go to the colonies and take part in the colonisation too. |
those who did such things are given many names by the irish and despised for their actions. the more people who know what they did and more importantly why it was wrong the better. |
Yes I'm sure they are. What about alll those who left Ireland for places like the US? Like it or not, like the Welsh, the Scots and the English they too colonised foreign soils. Many Irish (like Welsh, Scots and English) will be happy to ignore the actions of their own nation while concentrating on their own injustices.
Wales was a big part of the slave trade scene with the big docks in Swansea and Cardiff. Also several Welsh people where slavemasters in the Carribean - hence why many black people still have surnames Williams, Evans etc as they took the slave masters names. |
without doubt lands in america were colonised from natives. i think its a bit harsh though to blame the type of people who were doing all the tasks no one else would do (with their only other option being starvation at home) for the colonisation its self.
you also need to remember that many irish abroad where also sent there by british courts.
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Cymro
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Not just the Irish though Parkie. The Scots, the English, the Welsh would have all been treated badly and been sent abroad etc by the British courts. Then look at the people of different races, the whites would have been treated appallingly but not nearly as appalingly as many other races under the flag of the empire.
Fields of Athenray may be a song about Irish being sent abroad but they certainly didn't hold the monopoly on that. |
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parkhead_rfb
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| Cymro wrote: | Not just the Irish though Parkie. The Scots, the English, the Welsh would have all been treated badly and been sent abroad etc by the British courts. Then look at the people of different races, the whites would have been treated appallingly but not nearly as appalingly as many other races under the flag of the empire.
Fields of Athenray may be a song about Irish being sent abroad but they certainly didn't hold the monopoly on that. |
you specifically asked me about the irish though and thats why i answered it in relation to them.
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Cymro
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | | Cymro wrote: | Not just the Irish though Parkie. The Scots, the English, the Welsh would have all been treated badly and been sent abroad etc by the British courts. Then look at the people of different races, the whites would have been treated appallingly but not nearly as appalingly as many other races under the flag of the empire.
Fields of Athenray may be a song about Irish being sent abroad but they certainly didn't hold the monopoly on that. |
you specifically asked me about the irish though and thats why i answered it in relation to them. |
I daren't say I did Parkie, but what I was trying to make clear was that the Irish don't have a monopoly of the 'British' nations to have been mistreated under the British Flag and neither are they angelic in the whole thing as some would have us believe.
I assume this exhibition was part of a UK wide thing as I am aware of a simmilar exhibition in Swansea highlighting the role of Slavery in Wales, also of a permanent one in Liverpool in the Albert Docks. Wonder if one was also in Belfast ? |
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| Cymro wrote: | | parkhead_rfb wrote: | | Cymro wrote: | Not just the Irish though Parkie. The Scots, the English, the Welsh would have all been treated badly and been sent abroad etc by the British courts. Then look at the people of different races, the whites would have been treated appallingly but not nearly as appalingly as many other races under the flag of the empire.
Fields of Athenray may be a song about Irish being sent abroad but they certainly didn't hold the monopoly on that. |
you specifically asked me about the irish though and thats why i answered it in relation to them. |
I daren't say I did Parkie, but what I was trying to make clear was that the Irish don't have a monopoly of the 'British' nations to have been mistreated under the British Flag and neither are they angelic in the whole thing as some would have us believe.
I assume this exhibition was part of a UK wide thing as I am aware of a simmilar exhibition in Swansea highlighting the role of Slavery in Wales, also of a permanent one in Liverpool in the Albert Docks. Wonder if one was also in Belfast ? |
native americans and others actually have murals on the international wall at the bottom of the falls road.
sections of there community have also been actively supportive of irish POW's.
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Cymro
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | | Cymro wrote: | | parkhead_rfb wrote: | | Cymro wrote: | Not just the Irish though Parkie. The Scots, the English, the Welsh would have all been treated badly and been sent abroad etc by the British courts. Then look at the people of different races, the whites would have been treated appallingly but not nearly as appalingly as many other races under the flag of the empire.
Fields of Athenray may be a song about Irish being sent abroad but they certainly didn't hold the monopoly on that. |
you specifically asked me about the irish though and thats why i answered it in relation to them. |
I daren't say I did Parkie, but what I was trying to make clear was that the Irish don't have a monopoly of the 'British' nations to have been mistreated under the British Flag and neither are they angelic in the whole thing as some would have us believe.
I assume this exhibition was part of a UK wide thing as I am aware of a simmilar exhibition in Swansea highlighting the role of Slavery in Wales, also of a permanent one in Liverpool in the Albert Docks. Wonder if one was also in Belfast ? |
native americans and others actually have murals on the international wall at the bottom of the falls road.
sections of there community have also been actively supportive of irish POW's. |
Saw that on the International Wars. Though obviously those 'celebrations' (for want of a better word) are obviously of todays standards when people will largely accept the wrongs of slavery. However go back to the time of slavery and I'm certain you'd see a different attitude (or lack of interest) amongst most whites towards slavery. |
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