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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject: Team GB back again... Reply with quote

I see Walter has been doing his bit for a British team at the olympics. They really seem to be putting a big effort into it this time. Why anyone is surprised that he is keen on a British team is beyond me, he made his opinions very clear before the election.

As usual, they are trying to sell it as both sides of the OF, with Smith from Rangers, and they've tried to get Brown from Celtic. Reporting brown as being keen, when he said no such thing. I really think the SFA might end up crumbling on this with all the pressure. Although the fact that the SFA board are fairly anonymous helps.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/7067642.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/7069511.stm

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we have the britih lions, a british athletics team, why not a british team of under 23's as a one off for such a prestigious event. i personally would leave it to the players, i'm sure the best of scottish talent such as barry ferguson, alan hutton, kris boyd, craig gordon and scott brown would be love to compete at the olympic games.

get a legal papaer from uefa stating a one off event like this will not effect the individuals fa's current status. simple, all other sports do it, why not football? ii feel it makes us look incredibly narrowminded. go for it.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sgmillerton wrote:
we have the britih lions, a british athletics team, why not a british team of under 23's as a one off for such a prestigious event.

The situation is very different. Rugby is a minority sport and they are trying to encourage more teams to take part. Therefore the national team is never at risk. In athletics, the Scottish team is usually unable to take part in major competition due to being part of the UK team.
The other reason not to, is that this is all politically motivated and not about sport (although you could say that the Olympics in general isn't really much about sport any more).

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i personally would leave it to the players, i'm sure the best of scottish talent such as barry ferguson, alan hutton, kris boyd, craig gordon and scott brown would be love to compete at the olympic games.

Why are you so sure?

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get a legal papaer from uefa stating a one off event like this will not effect the individuals fa's current status.

I don't think that is on offer. Only the personal assurance of those in charge at the moment.

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simple, all other sports do it, why not football? ii feel it makes us look incredibly narrowminded. go for it.

Not all other sports do it. Why is it narrow minded?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm comfortable with a GB & NI team for the Olympics.It used to happen,so why not again ? SFA being paranoid me thinks.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is, what is the benefit to the SFA or Scots football? Pretty much nothing. So even if it is just a slight risk, why take it?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SLG wrote:
The thing is, what is the benefit to the SFA or Scots football? Pretty much nothing. So even if it is just a slight risk, why take it?


Just for the Olympics.That all.Would be nice to cheer on a team there.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sgmillerton wrote:
we have the britih lions, a british athletics team, why not a british team of under 23's as a one off for such a prestigious event. i personally would leave it to the players, i'm sure the best of scottish talent such as barry ferguson, alan hutton, kris boyd, craig gordon and scott brown would be love to compete at the olympic games.

get a legal papaer from uefa stating a one off event like this will not effect the individuals fa's current status. simple, all other sports do it, why not football? ii feel it makes us look incredibly narrowminded. go for it.


all the scots you mentioned will be over 23 and are over 23 by the year 2012 so no matter how much you say they would love to play for GB - they won't.

I'm Scottish and I see my nationality as Scottish, I'm totally against this team GB nonsense and I hope the majority of Scots reject this idea as well - I'd rather see a Scots team representing us in the olympics, part of the reason I've never been into the olympics is because it's team GB from a very young age - must be something in the Angus water to think this way Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm sure there will be plenty of talented scottish under 23's at the time who would be glad to take part, many of whom will regard themselves as scottish/british.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just for the Olympics.That all.Would be nice to cheer on a team there.

Well mibee by 2012 Scotland will have a full team there. It's still a long way off.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dunno 'bout that SLG.

I've said for a while that 2015 is Independence year.

Of course, I'd welcome it before the 2012 Olympics... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i'm sure there will be plenty of talented scottish under 23's at the time who would be glad to take part, many of whom will regard themselves as scottish/british.


I'm not sure that how the players regard themselves is of much relevance. Most likely they'll just be glad of the opportunity to play on the international stage.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SLG wrote:
Celtic Indian wrote:
Just for the Olympics.That all.Would be nice to cheer on a team there.

Well mibee by 2012 Scotland will have a full team there. It's still a long way off.


Curious.If Glasgow gets the 2014 Commonwealth games.Then Scotland get independence before then.Would Scotland still be part of the Commonwealth ? If not,what would happen to the 2014 games ?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sgmillerton wrote:
i'm sure there will be plenty of talented scottish under 23's at the time who would be glad to take part, many of whom will regard themselves as scottish/british.


I'm not sure that how the players regard themselves is of much relevance. Most likely they'll just be glad of the opportunity to play on the international stage.



of course, that is the main reason but come 2014 i'm sure there will be players who are scottish/british who will be glad to play because they are scottish/british and those who do not regard themselves as british in any way who may decline, i'm sure you see what i mean.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just for the Olympics.That all.Would be nice to cheer on a team there.

Well mibee by 2012 Scotland will have a full team there. It's still a long way off.


Curious.If Glasgow gets the 2014 Commonwealth games.Then Scotland get independence before then.Would Scotland still be part of the Commonwealth ? If not,what would happen to the 2014 games ?

I can't see Scotland leaving the Commonwealth. Would be interesting though. It's not really the sort of event you can move at short notice, so I imagine that it would go ahead in Glasgow regardless.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What benefit is the Commonwealth ?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't give a rat's about the Olympics let alone the Team GB fitba team!

Scottish participation as independent nation would change my interest levels somewhat.

Maybe it's because the sight of the UJ always makes me want to spew all the time?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's be clear about this, we are only talking about a team for a one-off at the London games of 2012.

In any other Olympics we couldn't take part as the UEFA U-21 tournament is used as the qualifying stage for the olympics, with the top four sides going through.

Are the London Olympics a GB event? Olympics are awarded to cities, not countries, it could be said, if you apply it to a country, then England are the hosts of the Olympics and so the English team should take part, I have no problem with that.

But we have to be careful as, unless we are talking about a one-off only, then participating in the olympics as GB would mean competing in UEFA U-21 tournaments as GB as well.

Personally I quite like the idea of playing off against the other home nations for the right to take part.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the olympics were awarded to london but as part of gb events will take place all over gb including glasgow, that is why a gb team as a one-off is entirely appropriate.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"the olympics were awarded to london but as part of gb events will take place all over gb including glasgow, that is why a gb team as a one-off is entirely appropriate."

Well that is a first, previously the Olympics are only awarded to a city and any events outside of that city must be approved on a case-by-case basis.

I hadn't heard about this "gb events" and thought that London won the olympics. In that case, if it is the UK that have won the right to stage the olympics, then it could be that a one-off team might be about right. But a paly-off among the home teams for the right to represnt GB would be better.

It makes more sense for the olympics to go to a country rather than a city though and this is a good development.

What events are taking place in Glasgow? I thought it was to be only one event, a football match at hampden. What others are there?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the games weere awarded to london but events are being spread around the uk including scotland. at the olympics in sydeny there were events also taking place well away from ydeny itself. london is the host city but gb is hosting plenty of events. hence the justification of a gb team.
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