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Rinty
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"It's one of the ways some workers in positions of relative power try to improve their own position at the expense of other workers."
Its what all groups with shared agendas and issues do whether they are religious, unions, CBI etc.
"Remember Biffen, conservative leader of the commons c 1980- "We are all social democrats now""
Well, if that is the criteria, in your view, of being a marxist then I have lost the argument as, if you are describing the Tories as watered down marxists, then Labour must be too as the parties are so very similar.
"History has established that Marxism is necessarily interventionist, bureaucratic and authoritarian."
Personally, I think that history has shown us that government and states are........
"No. Marxism is a messianic attempt to overthrow the social order and replace it with something perfect."
Or an analysis of capital and power relationships that reaches conclusions that there are better ways of doing it.
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agentmancuso
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| Rinty wrote: | | Its what all groups with shared agendas and issues do whether they are religious, unions, CBI etc. |
True. And like those other groups, they dress up the advancement of their own vested interest as being for the common good.
| Quote: | | Well, if that is the criteria, in your view, of being a marxist then I have lost the argument as, if you are describing the Tories as watered down marxists, then Labour must be too as the parties are so very similar. |
You may be on to something there. Perhaps the real underlying truth is that Marxism, for all its radical pantomime, is actually a deeply conservative political philosophy.
| Quote: | "History has established that Marxism is necessarily interventionist, bureaucratic and authoritarian."
Personally, I think that history has shown us that government and states are........ |
Yes. And so best kept within strictly agreed parameters of movement. The problem with Marxists is that they insist on expanding the boundaries within which the state operates.
| Quote: | | Or an analysis of capital and power relationships that reaches conclusions that there are better ways of doing it. |
Well it reaches the conclusion that there is only one way of doing things, that that one way is predetermined by history, and that the use of force and civil unrest is an acceptable way of bringing about the inevitable rise to power of a (purely fictional) group of people who are then entitled by history to kill anyone who gets in their way.
It's pretty obviously a recipe for disaster. As history has shown.
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