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Rinty · Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject:

"i'm forever grateful."

Dont mention it. I belive that we can get more votes in the future but there is more to a political party than just looking at votes. People have to know what they are voting for and it takes time a for a party to develop in terms of policy and structures so we do have other priorities other than possible elections some time in the future. Solidarity are an open party and that means that policies are formed by the members and not a think tank or handed down by the top brass.

But I consider that an elected councillor and 31,000 parliamentary votes is not bad for a party just months old when the election came around. Whether that will grow or not we will see in the coming months and years. I wouldnt be so concerned if I were you.

sgmillerton · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:43 am Post subject:

i'm not, i think if anyone gets done for perjury from the swinger trial socialism will quitely slip away in this country. and to be fair i'd much prefer TS to be the last man standing out of the whole shower and 3 witches, he might talk a lot of rubbish but i feel he has integrity and seems like a decent chap, i do wish him well and i mean that.
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Rinty · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:57 am Post subject:

I'll pass on your regards miller

sgmillerton · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:00 pm Post subject:

i'm not taking the piss, i agree with very little of his political views but he does seem awright, he is not a bandwagon jumper.
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sgmillerton · Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:05 pm Post subject:

i was listening to my local radio show this morning, a chap from sacc.org.uk was on comparing the charges to ammwir to the 'illegal' war in iraq. there really are people out there who if they did not exist you would have to make them up.
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Rinty · Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject:

In what way did he compare it, can you give us a link to the show so that we can hear for ourselves?

You have previous for not being able to hear what people say on radio interviews.

Who was the representative from SACC? I will ask them if they have a copy we can hear.

sgmillerton · Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:52 pm Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject:

So he didnt compare the iraq war to charges against Aamer Anwar?

Why do you bother to go to sites where you disagree with everyone, why listen to shows like Tommy's? You are tswisted.

I know who are talking about, I didnt hear the show but dont know anyone so far who interpreted his comments in the way you did.

SACC is a fine, hard working, civil rights campaign and have a range of camopaigns. I cannot belive that you visitde their website and came to the conclusion that asian communities in Scotland are not 'scottish' communities. What do you consider to be 'scottish'? Is it linked to skin colour, religion or what?

When SACC say that anti-terror laws are targettibng sections of the population, you claim that they are not Scottish!

Of course they back aamer anwar, as do the legal profession and the wider civil and personal rights campaigns.

sgmillerton · Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:26 pm Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject:

"i'm saying that some of their 'issues' are nothing to do with scottish communities."

Thats what I thought you said, that they weren't a scottish community. To you asians in Scotland are not Scottish even if they were born here. Shocking!

Scottish asians are much part of the Scottish community as you are, not just part of the asian comunities, possibly part of a religious community, or the business community, or school community or local community. To say that they are not Scottish explains your thoughts on this.

"no, he did. the sacc is a quite absurd organisation and this highlighted by the fact i had never heard of such a self loathing group."

How pompous! To say that an organisation can be judged on whether you have heard of it is nonsense, especially given the extremely low knowledge of politics you display here daily.

sgmillerton · Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject:

jeeezo, your making it up again, i did not say asians were not part of the scottish commuity, i'm saying these self loathers are campaigning about things that have nothing, NOTHING to do with scottis communities. stop making things up.

i'm pompus? maybe but i think we have drank from the same bottle.you are as pompous as the come and the most pompous on here.
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Rinty · Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject:

"NOTHING to do with scottis communities"

But asians are part of scottish communities. How can a scottish lawyer charged with contempt following the snetencing of a bot from Alloa NOT be to do with Scottish communities.

You are digging a deeper hole for yourself. The campaigners in SACC are part of Scottish communities too.

"i did not say asians were not part of the scottish commuity"

Yes you did and you keep saying it.

You said: "some of their 'issues' are nothing to do with scottish communities." If they are a scottish community how can that be unless you consider them not to be part of the scottish community. You also said: "very little mention of scottish communities." referring to Richard's 'rant' re islamophobia. Islamophobia against scottish communities cant be considered not mentioning scottish communities unless you consider that muslims are not Scottish.

You are a racist, no amount of verbal gymnastics will hide that, you were banned from here anmd elsewhere for racist posts.

Until you can recognise that scotland consists of many communites and we all cross over into several communites then you wont get over this separation in your head of 'scottish communites' and asians and/or muslims.

sgmillerton · Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject:

right, their campaigns
rachid ramda - no mention of scotland or it's communties
babar ahmed - no mention of scotland or it's communties
write to the prisoners - 19 prisoners can be written to in england, france, cuba and austria. none in scotland and no mention of scotland.
stop the flights-does mention prestwick airport, not sure if that is a community though.
amar anwir - yep, he is scotish, fair enough.
anti-terror powers - affects scotland, faor enough

only in your twistwed worl d is it rascist to point out the hypocrisy and absurdities of organisations such as these.

and again, where did i say asians were not part of the scottish community, i did not. and can you tell me that if an afghan prisoner is being flown through scotlans (allegedly) aiports by the cia how that affect me in my community or any asian or jew or whoever. that is the business of the cia and the british govt. not this mob of sabre rattling self loathers.

a sham of an organisation and whose inciteful language against americans and british i will leave for another day when discussing the 'haters' in this world.
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Rinty · Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject:

Scotland can be against criminalising communities wihout limitying ourselves to scottish communitities, what you have done is pick the ones that arent scottish to justify your racist belief that asians and/or muslims are not Scottish.

"whose inciteful language against americans and british i will leave for another day when discussing the 'haters' in this world."

As an active supporter of the organisation I have never seen language against americans or british. There is plenty to complain about british and american policies re civil rights, but only a racist would read that as being agasinst the people of those nations.

"can you tell me that if an afghan prisoner is being flown through scotlans (allegedly) aiports by the cia how that affect me in my community or any asian or jew or whoever."

Simplae really, scottish activists, can stop the practice and help combat this global in justice that Scotland, throuhg it's airports is part of. SACC are not the only ones who oppose this practice though.

Cant you read, the campaign is called Scotland Aganinst Criminalising Communities, its not called 'stop criminalising scottish communuities' unlike you, it seems, I belong to several communities.

Scotland in the main was against aprtheid in Sotuh Africa and our campaigns helped bring it to an end, we didnt need to have apartheid here to campaign against it. The campaign was set up against the anti-terror laws as we belive they target spevific communities here in Scotland and elsewhere.

Now, can you tell me why you consider the porganisation to be a 'sham'.

It seems like only hours since you informed us that you handt even heard of them until Sunday. Now you expect us to belive that you know enough about them to pass jusdgement on their aims and their organisation and call them a sham.

You are such an idiot that, like the idots on Big Brother, forget that we can see what you wrote. You didnt even now who they were a few days ago anmd now you think you can fool people into thinking you are an expert on them Smile

No-one is aking you to join or support the campign mate so I dont see why you are getting so uptight.

I asked Tommy by the way and he ingforms me that Richard didnt compare Aamers charges to the wayr in Iraq, he linked the increased pressure on political camopaigns to the starts of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, that is not even close to being the same thing. Nit unless you are an idiot or a bigot who has already decided what you want to argue against rather than debate what the man actually said.

Tha fact remains that, despite going back on it now, you dont cosnider their campaigns for right sofr scottish prisoners and lawyers to be campaigns for sciottish communties if they are asian.

The first campaign was about 5 years ago and was centred around the algerian men charged under the terrorism powers. The men were resident in Scotland, one was married to a scots woman and they had a kid. The assistance given to the men from the campaign helped them get the charges dropped and helped them arrange their asylum applications. The algerian community in Scotland were grateful, but you probably dont consider them to be a scottish community.

Your point on the prisoners is nonsense. Are you saying that as scots we cant be against criminalising muslims eslewhere? The detention and asylum laws apply UK wide, Scotland can be against them and support people whether they are scottish or not. Unlesss of course they are racist scots.

Maybe you should start a campaign that is aganist criminlasing specifically scottish communities but you can hardly attack this campaign for not being what you wish it was.

sgmillerton · Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject:

I use racist when referring to you, someone who was previously barred from this site for racism, its pretty obvious really.

Are you mental? Scotland can be against criminalising communities across the globe and here in Scotland too.

I cant agree that the text on the website is anti-british or american in any racial or ethnic way, it doesnt describe american people or british people. That is just nonsense and shows, as usual, an completely uninformed view of what racism is.

sgmillerton · Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:33 am Post subject:

"i think they shuld drop the scottish bit, or, maybe, they need that to get funding or some charitable status cos they are pretty obscure. mention scotland in your title and some cash will come their way, not the first time such a thing has happened."

They dont have 'scottish' in their title for goodreason. I will try (for the fourth time) to spell it out for you. The camopaign is that SCOTLAND is against criminalising comunities. You seem to imagine a camopaign that is about being against criminalising SCOTTISH communities. there is a very real difference between the two outlooks.

Instead of wishing that this campaign was about exclusively scottish communites, you should start your own campaign.

It is not racist to criticise this campaign, that a red herring and you know it. I call you racist as you were previously benned from this site for racism and for the fact that you didnt recognise campaigns in support of scottish muslims as being a scottish community.

sgmillerton · Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:44 am Post subject:

your not answering the quston, again. no, they don;t have scottish intheir title, just scotland.....i ask again, when did i say i did not recognise asians as being part of a scottish community, WHEN?.

i always wonder about organisation like this when they say scotland in their titles when in actual fact their concern is with muslims, nothing wrong with that but what they are trying to achive is not reflected in their title. they should, more realistically, ba called, 'scotland against criminalising muslim communties' if they said that i would have no problem with their activities. but they are very pc and need to keep funding going.

is amur a community?
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mairead · Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject:

SGM,
There are many Asians in this country who have been born and bred here for several generations and they just as entitled to call themselves Scots living in Scottish communities as anyone else. Why pick on Asians when there are other large comunities such as the Chinese for example, many of whom are also Scottish by birth. The colour of a face should not matter in any way. I have to agree with Rinty that you do come over as somewhat racist in your comments whenther intentionally or otherwise.
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