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Neil · Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:31 am Post subject:

The Sun WILL rise tomorrow after which I will reply.
This will give you amply time to dissociate yourself from Sleegor & Chris's claim that absolutely everything I have posted here is a lie, should you so wish.

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SLG · Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject:

Neil · Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:38 am Post subject:

Accepted SLG.
I note Chris & Screegor, whoever or whatever they are, can't bring themselves to even that much.

To labour the point it is concevably possible that the sun won't rise tyomorrow though it would require either the Sun to go Nova & or some unknown change in the laws of physics. In real life we take such predictions as being true & it is therefore not a misuse of language to speak that way. I took it, as such a prediction that, beyond reasonable doubt I would not find all 3 of you admiting that I had not fabricated the Congressional Record. If there is no reasonable doubt the word "doubtless" is appropriate.

As Chris & SLG have proven - I was correct.

I think the refusal ever, under any circumstances to acknowledge any error is indicative of the mindset of the eco-fascists. Their case depends entirely on assertion & bluster. If they allow any slightest case where the facts are allowed to overrule their asertions they have allowed a a crack which may break the entire edifice. Hence we see Screegor's diffidence about accepting even that Paul Ehrlich's numerous predictions of total collaspe, starvation, cancer reducing lifespan to 42, death of all sea life & general mass death, all by the 1980s, were wrong & defending them as "raising awarenes". Bearing in mind that he is still a "green" guru the awareness they should raise is of the total dishonesty of the eco-fascist movement.
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agentmancuso · Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:41 pm Post subject:

Further insight into the mindset of environmental enthusiasts in the latest TESS; TV presenter Johnny Ball gave a lecture at Edinburgh University this week, in which he challenged some of the basic tenants of Global Warming. Afterwards a certain Professor Wadler accused Mr Ball of putting "fear, uncertainty and doubt" in the minds of young children, and said Mr Ball should not be allowed to explain to children what science is about again.

Ironically, part of the lecture was about the contribution of Galileo to Newton's theory of gravity; Wadler evidently has taken it upon himself to play the part of The Holy Inquisition in this latest controversy.
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SLG · Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:58 pm Post subject:

Neil · Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject:

It is yet another datum on a ststistical trend which I have mentioned before. If everybody you have met in a group is a liar & every catastrophe story turned out has been ultimately proven to be a lie it is reasonable to assume the next up will be too.
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SLG · Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject:

Neil · Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject:

Thats why I said I would post up new evidence when something I thought important comes up rether than just engage in a slanging match, such as that I'm not being factual if I say i have no doubt Chris & Sleegor aren't going to accept that I have ever told the truth. I am perfectly capable of engaging in such a match but other readers must find it uninformative). I acknowledge the incongruity of replying to you now.
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agentmancuso · Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject:

SLG · Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject:

Neil · Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:05 pm Post subject:

agentmancuso · Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject:

Neil · Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject:

Having been denounced by our self styled environmental scientists on here for falling, for a few hours, for a hoax story fronted by a Guardian journalist I thougt readers might like to read this.

Alasdair · Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject:

global warming or climate change aside, surely it's time we stopped 'shitting in our own backyards'
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Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1091

SLG wrote “I once met someone who told me that eating fruit cured cancer. It doesn't. He was a liar.”

It is just possible he may have been a liar, but a far more likely explanation is that he was simply mistaken.

Unfortunately, it seems Neil is a conspiracy theorist, who assumes that those who express views he dislikes are liars who are in on the conspiracy.

Neil wrote “there is no warming beyond historic parameters taking place. That is a simple statement of fact”

No, it’s your opinion.

“& leaves virtually nothing else to disprove”.

Unfortunately that’s not true.

Cloud cover has increased. That isn’t just my impression because we all tend to think the days of long ago when we were very young were sunnier, there really are more clouds nowadays, at least partly due to the massive increase in air traffic, and therefore of the burning of aviation fuel, compared with sixty years ago. Some scientists have suggested that it is possible that the same clouds which are said to act as a “greenhouse”, retaining heat which might otherwise have radiated out into space, could actually be hiding the full extent of the global warming which has already happened. It is virtually impossible to prove this because it is impossible to ground all the planes in the world to see what happens. But there IS one “experiment” which should make everybody think seriously about this one. After the attacks on New York and Washington DC of 11th September 2001, all civilian planes were grounded throughout the USA. The weather records for most of the USA for that week show abnormally clear and sunny weather, with the cloud cover way down, and the temperatures WAY up compared with the average for mid September. Okay, so you could say that was “within normal fluctuations”. But it’s a bit of a coincidence, don’t you think?

Neil · Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject:

No it is simple statement of fact which I have proven, repeatedly - check it out..

It was warmer than now during the Medieval warming, warmer than that during the Late Roman warming & warmer than that during the Climactic Optimum of 5,000 BC. None of these produced a catastrophic runaway warming.

That leaves virtually nothing else to disprove.

If you have solid proof, rather than just opinion, that cloud cover has increased to a marked extent & that this has had the effect you claim please produce it.

Alasdair · Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject:

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1091

Neil wrote that his opinion that human-influenced climate change is a fraud is “a simple statement of fact” - would that be the same kind of “statement of fact” as your statement, in another thread, that the leaders of the EU and the British government are “genocidal Nazi war criminals”? I am well aware of Croatia’s disgraceful war record, and I’m suspicious of Croatia joining the EU, and I’m suspicious of both the EU bureaucracy and of the British government, but describing all concerned as “genocidal Nazi war criminals” is real frothing-at-the-mouth conspiracy theory stuff, and so is your claim that all those who disagree with you about climate change are “liars”.

“which I have proven, repeatedly” – to your own satisfaction, no doubt. Just as you have proven to your own satisfaction that all members of the EU bureaucracy, and all members of the British government, are Nazi war criminals. I think there could be a case for trying Tony Blair for war crimes, but describing all who may be guilty of war crimes as “Nazis”, and suggesting that all those involved with either the EU or the British government come into this category, is as daft as your “climate change is all a conspiracy” stuff.

William_Cleland · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:07 am Post subject:

There has arguably been a slight cooling trend now since 1998 and this year so far has been a relatively cold one, which is strengthening the evidence for that trend. If that trend continues for much longer the Global Warming types will have some serious explaining to do given CO2 concentrations have been rising inexorably in the interim. It would be very surprising if there wasn't some effect associated with the so called "greenhouse effect" of absorption of radiation by CO2 (the terminology is actually quite misleading as greenhouses work by blocking convection) that would otherwise escape out to space. A doubling of the pre-industrial atmospheric CO2 concentration would only be expected to create a warming of about 1 deg Celsius based on IR spectroscopy considerations. Complex feedback mechanisms involving increased evaporation of water vapour have to be invoked to get to the catastrophic warming levels that are talked about in the newspapers but the physics involved is not fully understood yet regardless of what the environmentalists try to make out.

Alasdair · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:18 am Post subject:

Apparently you need to consider 'global dimming' in your calculations ... a process that works against 'global warming' as demonstrated in the USA 'experiment'. Increased aviation increases global dimmming, apparently, and reduces the apparent effect of global warming ...
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