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mairead · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:45 am Post subject:

I gave up believing in religions many long years ago, but hey, whatever turns you on is my motto.
Religions of all denominations have been the cause of practically every war on the planet since man first walked upon it, imposing his own beliefs on others. It is still the cause of most wars and troubles today

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McDougall · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:48 am Post subject:

I'm agnostic, but to look at what atheists have done in Russia, China etc does not allow you the moral high ground. Of course you will say, "Not in my name", but so would a lot of Christians say of your efforts to connect them to evil acts.

The idea that science grew up in oppostion to religion is not at all true either, for so many scientists were Christian men and made their efforts in the name of God.

Humanism has a large religious following too, so I fail to see black and white here only grey. Feminism is all about the goddess and mysticism, and the same people who poo-poo religious people often bow down to the latest attention whore in the media.

It's a funny old word!
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RadgeJougal · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject:

agentmancuso · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject:

agentmancuso · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject:

RadgeJougal · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject:

"Wars are caused by the aggressive assertion of collective identity."

Can be, but they are usually started and directed by a handful of people. WWI certainly was.

"The modern vapid and rootless substitute religion called 'Nationalism' being the most obvious example."

Politics of various kinds can fill this void. But nationalism is probably less rootless than many religions.

McDougall · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:56 am Post subject:

mairead · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:40 am Post subject:

I take the point about chivalry and equality and have to reluctantly agree that women do, to an extent, play both cards to suit.
This woman is not all gone on equality though, I assure you. Physiologically, women can never equal men. Men, having more muscles than women, are more powerful for a start, although women can have the same levels of intelligence.
I also believe that there are some jobs best done by men. If I am trapped high up in a burning building, I sure wouldn't want a five foot 1 inch female trying to carry me to safety.
The only equality I believe in is wages wise. If a woman is doing the same job then she should have the same rate of pay, but, as I say, there are some jobs men are more able to do.
As far as chivalry goes, there's not a lot of that around anyway.
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agentmancuso · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject:

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Holebender · Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:21 am Post subject:

I'm sorry to have to tell you this; the existence of junk science doesn't make religion any more believable or rational or any less dangerous.
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RadgeJougal · Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject:

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Holebender · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:47 am Post subject:

If that's your attitude, what was the point of your earlier post?
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McDougall · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:10 am Post subject:

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