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singforsam
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 Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: Royal Scots Dragoon Guards |
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I’m so thrilled that The Royal Scots Dragoon Guards are going to be on concert. They have an amazing CD out right now – Spirit of the Glen. They include tracks like Amazing Grace, Rod Stewart’s Sailing, and Paul McCartney’s Mull of Kinfrye.
For info on their tour dates, check this out:
31-Jan 8:00pm Bloomington, IN Indiana University Auditorium
1-Feb 8:00pm East Lansing, MI Catherine Herrick Cobb Great Hall
2-Feb 8:00pm Cleveland, OH Palace Theatre
4-Feb 7:30pm Pittsburgh, PA Heinz Hall for Performing Arts
5-Feb 8:00pm Louisville, KY Whitney Hall
Check out their website and feel free to reply to me or post your comments to their web page below.
http://www.amazon.com/Spirit-Roya...sic&qid=1201051539&sr=8-1
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parkhead_rfb
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tell them to get a real job.
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Cymro
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Knew it would only be a mater of time before you posted. Shame it was a bit of a let down after all this wait. |
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parkhead_rfb
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Cymro wrote: | | Knew it would only be a mater of time before you posted. Shame it was a bit of a let down after all this wait. |
if you want to pay for my flights and ticket to see them al get hold of a bucket of s***e when am on my way. i wont disappoint yi a second time 
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | | tell them to get a real job. |
Selling drugs? Kneecapping teenagers? Putting bombs in shopping centres? Murdering other people's children?
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parkhead_rfb
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| agentmancuso wrote: | | parkhead_rfb wrote: | | tell them to get a real job. |
Selling drugs? Kneecapping teenagers? Putting bombs in shopping centres? Murdering other people's children? |
thats a pretty good dscription of the british army right enough, glad we agree.
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iainmhor
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| agentmancuso wrote: | | parkhead_rfb wrote: | | tell them to get a real job. |
Selling drugs? Kneecapping teenagers? Putting bombs in shopping centres? Murdering other people's children? |
You forgot shooting kids joyriding in cars, shooting in the back young men walking down the street and shooting others who were protesting for civil democratic rights.
A great bunch of lads these mercenary killers.
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agentmancuso
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| iainmhor wrote: | | agentmancuso wrote: | | parkhead_rfb wrote: | | tell them to get a real job. |
Selling drugs? Kneecapping teenagers? Putting bombs in shopping centres? Murdering other people's children? |
You forgot shooting kids joyriding in cars, young men walking down the street and shooting others who were protesting .
A great bunch of lads these mercenary killers. |
As you approve of the same methods you can have little cause for complaint.
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| I differentiate between the violence of the oppressed and the violence of the oppressor. Dont you? |
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agentmancuso
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Not getting what you want doesn't mean you are 'oppressed'. It's just something that happens in a democracy. But then, contempt for democracy is something else you have in common with fascists.
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Cymro
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| iainmhor wrote: | | I differentiate between the violence of the oppressed and the violence of the oppressor. Dont you? |
For one thing, you do a injustice with this statment of the majority of Catholics in Northern Ireland who where opressed from basic civil rights yet didn't go down the path of violence.
That's just typical of the 'solidarity' which some I'd say easily influenced people try and show with people while not really knowing the full story.
Neither violent campaign bought about any 'success'. The British Army and Loyalist Paramilitaries never managed to destroy the PIRA or Repubicanism and the PIRA and other Republican Paramilitaries came no closer to achieving an United Ireland. What they did both succeed in doing though was causing suffering.
Not really something to celebrate though is it?
In terms of the British Army, they where indeed misused in Northern Ireland, something the British State must take responsibilty for. However this isn't the school playground now where you can just swagger round hitting other kids you don't like and calling them names. Look at a wider context at where the British soldiers have been sent and done some good. I know Parkhead has said he would rather countries stay out of eachothers business, but frankly if that involved turning a blind eye to attorcities like Kosovo and Sierra Leone than that isolationist idiocy can bugger off straight away! |
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iainmhor
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| Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| agentmancuso wrote: | | Not getting what you want doesn't mean you are 'oppressed'. It's just something that happens in a democracy. But then, contempt for democracy is something else you have in common with fascists. |
In the early 70s there were 14 unarmed civilians shot dead during a civil rights protest in Derry by 1 Para , in the space of three days 11 unarmed civilians were shot dead by 1Para in Ballymurphy, Belfast and a further 6 unarmed civilians were shot dead in New Lodge, Belfast. There are many other examples of deadly force used against unarmed civilians in Ireland by the British Army.
Does this constitute oppression in your eyes? No wonder the RA were supported by more and more of the people and their ranks swelled. |
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parkhead_rfb
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| iainmhor wrote: | | agentmancuso wrote: | | Not getting what you want doesn't mean you are 'oppressed'. It's just something that happens in a democracy. But then, contempt for democracy is something else you have in common with fascists. |
In the early 70s there were 14 unarmed civilians shot dead during a civil rights protest in Derry by 1 Para , in the space of three days 11 unarmed civilians were shot dead by 1Para in Ballymurphy, Belfast and a further 6 unarmed civilians were shot dead in New Lodge, Belfast. There are many other examples of deadly force used against unarmed civilians in Ireland by the British Army.
Does this constitute oppression in your eyes? No wonder the RA were supported by more and more of the people and their ranks swelled. |
it always amazes me how those who call republicans terrorists but not the british army aways resort to telling us how bad republicans were when we give the countless list of british army murders. surely they shouldnt be comparing what they deem terrorists with a "legitimate" army?
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Cymro
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At the end of the day sovereign states are the only 'bodies' allowed to have an army and arm them. That is a huge part of international law. Others are Paramilitaries or Militias. The PIRA where an Illegal Paramilitary organisation. Whilst attrocities like Bloody Sunday did indeed become a huge PR Coup for the PIRA many Republicans and Catholics who where opressed did not follow the path of armed insurrection, yet campaigned tirelessly for equal rights and freedom.
It's just a shame that certain people, including Parkie and Iainmhor choose to ignore these people, choosing instead to celebrate those who didn't succeed in achieving anything.
Playground politics at it's worse. |
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iainmhor
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For many the IRA is the legitimate army of the yet to be established 32 county Irish Republic.
I salute the endeavours of most towards Irish freedom and equality. Tactics and strategy are never, from a Republican perspective, predicated upon the armed struggle tactic.
Elections, boycotts, strikes, education and a plethora of other tactics are fine.
Von Clausewitz said "war is the continuation of politics by other means" and the aphorism that politics is the continuaton of war etc is valid. |
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Cymro
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| iainmhor wrote: | For many the IRA is the legitimate army of the yet to be established 32 county Irish Republic.
I salute the endeavours of most towards Irish freedom and equality. Tactics and strategy are never, from a Republican perspective, predicated upon the armed struggle tactic.
Elections, boycotts, strikes, education and a plethora of other tactics are fine.
Von Clausewitz said "war is the continuation of politics by other means" and the aphorism that politics is the continuaton of war etc is valid. |
Now I'm sure you know as well as I do that chances are dear old Karl would have been talking about International Politics here and the relationships between countries here not legitimising the use of violence by internal groups against states. Which takes us back to my point that only states have the right to have an army, not individual groups with an axe to grind against the state.
Armed Struggle, though drawing illusions of heroicism amognst certain people didn't achieve anything and I'll say it again, merely enables people like yourself to ignore the actions of the majority who while equally opressed didn't descide that death and murder was a legitimate way to avenge that.
And don't give me that s***e about the IRA being the legitimate army for many etc. They are not the legimate army for most, including those who support an Irish Republic. They wheren't legitimate by any stretch of the imagination. No romantic views of Irish Politics can change that. They where nothing more than a Paramilitary Organisation, no more of a legimimate army than the UVF, UDA or even the Shankill Butchers where 'legitimate' defenders of the Union. |
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Moreover, if they were a legitimate army under 'occupation', their 'war' would still be illegal at international law.
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Can we expect the PIRA to don blue berets and undertake an international peace keeping mission any time soon?
Does the legitimate government of the Republic of Ireland consider the Irish Republican Army as the legitimate army of the State?
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Red Justice
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| Holebender wrote: | Can we expect the PIRA to don blue berets and undertake an international peace keeping mission any time soon?
Does the legitimate government of the Republic of Ireland consider the Irish Republican Army as the legitimate army of the State? |
I doubt it the provos gave up their weapons and sold out to administer British rule from Stormont.
The second point you make is irrelevant the Irish Free State gave up the constitutional claim to the north of Ireland so should have no say in the legitamacy of Ogaigh naEireann . Bertie Ahern and co do not live in the sectarian statelet in the Wee Six.
Could I suggest some peacekeeping end British military occupation and send the MI5 Brits on their way out of their new building in the north and back home to Britain.
In case anybody is unaware we should remember MI5 had also intended to set up camp in Glasgow. No coincidence to keep a snoop on us potentially rebellious Scots.
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| Holebender wrote: | | Does the legitimate government of the Republic of Ireland consider the Irish Republican Army as the legitimate army of the State? |
The 1919 Dail, apparently sitting under the authority of the 1916 Easter Proclamation, recognised it as such.
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