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Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 928

On Saturday 23rd February, some members of Determination will be seeking signatures, on the Scottish Independence Convention's petition for an independence referendum, on the streets of Dundee. Any supporters of the SIC petition, of any political affiliation or none, who would like to help with this, please meet up with us around 12 noon at the top end of the Murraygate, that is, the end near the Wellgate Shopping Centre, between the Halifax and the Tesco Metro.

carol · Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject:

This is only my personal opinion, moreso in light of recent data breaches I would never sign a petition giving out my personal details, unless the canvasser was authorised to collect them

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 928

Carol wrote "This is only my personal opinion, moreso in light of recent data breaches, I would never sign a petition giving out my personal details, unless the canvasser was authorised to collect them".

All of those taking part in the action in Dundee on Saturday 23rd February have been authorised by the SIC to seek signatures on their petition. For a signature to be valid, it must be accompanied by an address, or, at the very minimum, a house number and postcode. Of course we all know that some folk may be reluctant to provide this, that is one of the reasons why the target for signatures has been set lower than suggested by some. Anybody who doesn't want to provide this essential minimum amount of information should simply not sign the petition.

carol · Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:51 am Post subject:

At least us grass root activists have some sense!

I've no doubt that there will be clear guidelines in place after their next general meeting Rolling Eyes

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 928

I'm not sure at present how many folk are going to show up for this street petitioning in Dundee tomorrow. We have got some clipboards for putting the petitions on so that we can approach folk in the street with them, but, if quite a lot of folk show up to help, then we could turn out to need some more clipboards. "Red Justice" already indicated he plans to show up, so, to him and to anybody else planning to come along, if you have a clipboard, or something which could be improvised to use as a clipboard, it would be helpfull if you could bring it along with you. Thanks.

Red Justice · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject:

I do have a clipboard I will bring. However I do actually have three clipboards in the house which I could bring if they were required?
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Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 928

Red Justice wrote "I do have a clipboard I will bring. However I do actually have three clipboards in the house which I could bring if they were required?"

They don't have any party political or other kind of slogans on them, do they? Assuming they don't, then please bring them all. You never know, if a lot of folk want to help, they might be needed.

Red Justice · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject:

carol · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject:

Dave has everyone authorisation? It would be better if folk are to known to you

hope the weather's ok

Red Justice · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject:

carol · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject:

RJ there was no disrespect intended to you.

I'm not even aware that Dave's a member of SIC, and mine's has lapsed

RadgeJougal · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject:

I'm sure that Dave and Red Justice will do an excellent job together and I'm sure that they shall get to know each other extremely quickly. Good luck!

carol · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject:

Radge they may already know each for all you know!

Red Justice · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject:

carol · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject:

it will be interesting ...............

anyway best of luck

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 928

Carol wrote " I'm not even aware that Dave's a member of SIC"

I'm not. But I'm not the "organiser", and there will be a couple of folk present who are SIC members. The position is that anybody who is prepared to support the SIC petition, and to seek to get members of the general public to sign it, and who is prepared to work with others who may have very different views from themselves, is invited to take part.

Red Justice · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject:

carol · Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:40 am Post subject:

Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 928

The Irish comedian Dave Allen used to tell a joke about a traveller arriving at some village and asking a local person for directions to Ballywellost. The local thinks about possible routes for a couple of minutes, and then replies "If I were you, and I were going there, I wouldn't start from here".

It is now nearly a month since the SIC launched the "Let Scotland Decide" petition. It's pointless to say "because it wasn't as well organised from the very beginning as I would have liked, I'm not going to start from here", because, like it or not, "here" is where we are. The question is, what do we do now? If we wait until everything is perfectly organised, we might wait a very long time, or we might wait so long the campaigning momentum gets completely lost. My answer is, what I am going to do now is join with other folk in collecting signatures on the petition, in accordance with the limited guidance I have been given by the SIC, in the centre of Dundee, today.

Carol wrote " I'm not even aware that Dave's a member of SIC"

I said I wasn't, but a couple of the folk taking part in today's petitioning in Dundee are SIC members. My understanding of the position, based on what the Secretary of the SIC said to me on the phone, is that anybody prepared to support the SIC petition, and to seek to get members of the general public to sign it, and who is prepared to work with others who may have very different views from themselves, can take part.

Carol now says "those organising the canvassing should at least know who are canvassing for them" - it may not be possible for officials of the SIC to personally know everybody involved.

Carol says "Ludicrous to think those signatures could be in anyone's hands" - it might be "ludicrous" if it were true, but it isn't. So far as today is concerned, the position is that a member of the SIC will collect petition sheets at the end of our street activity. These will be put in an envelope and forwarded promptly to the SIC address which is given on the petition forms.

Right now, the weather here is wet and very windy, and not looking at all good for open air petitioning.

carol · Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject:

Well as long as the integrity of SIC is kept intact it should be plain sailing. Still in my opinion anybody should not be encouraged along to canvass, it doesn't take 2 mins to ditch sheets of petitions in bins etc (not that I've done it, but I've been well aware of party campaign leaflets binned).

There should be enough known activists, to enable a successful day out on the streets. you never know who you can trust these days.